$3.99/gal.

[Flaptail]

NIMBY goes way beyond oil refineries. It's affect here on the Cape is crippling. The Industrial apark in Hyannis (Independence Park) was created to entice light industry to build plants that would help with the underpaying industry like hospitaility/food / entertainment that are viable only in the three short months of summer.

The Cape Cod Commision, which has manifested itself and morphed into this all powerful agency has quite lethaly squashed that concept. If you have ever been thru the park you can plainly see it would be perfect for this type of business but the feeling that "Olde Cape Cod" woulb be blighted by it has prevented it from happening so the haves that make thier money off cape and come here to build trophy homes are eating up all the available housing and the middle class who love this place as well live paycheck to paycheck and struggle to make ends meet and thier children can't afford to live where they were born becuase there are no housing units being built of modest pricing. Contractor/developers continue to make money at the expense of losingn that which is the vital compaonent of any society, the middle class. So on the Cape, if you did not buy your house before the mid 80's like I did and work as I and my wife do, in education, which has never been seen as a real money making occupation, you cannot afford to live here.

Cape Cod, the land of sun, surf, clean air and the ultra rich and the ultra poor with little or no one in between.

[Joe]

If ya can't beat em' start a dog-walking service or car detailing business....

[zacs]

In certain areas the NIMBY effect is certainly huge, especially in the densely populated Bos-DC corridor, but overall, there are plenty of places in the US that would gladly have a refinery or 20, but the US Bureaucratic red-tape & regs do not make it worth the effort.

You put in 2-3 years work to get all the licences & permits, and in the end it doesn't go through because you forgot to dot one little "i." This is the bigger problem. It is the same reason our country lags so far behind in the world of aquaculture.

[fishpoopoo]

NIMBY is understandable. Think of all the nasty emissions from these things. Would you want to be living next to a plant that spews benzene, a known carcinogen?

[MAC]

Originally Posted by Bassturbed

NIMBY is understandable. Think of all the nasty emissions from these things. Would you want to be living next to a plant that spews benzene, a known carcinogen?

On something like a fuel processing plant maybe. But like Flap pointed towards the Cape........... Cape Wind Farm is one example......

Up near me they are proposing a new power station. (in Brockton)
I am not sure if it is supposed to be oil or gas fired but do know that it will bring much needed jobs to the area as well as benefit the area tax wise.

Well a local business owner is fighting it tooth and nail. (NIMBY)

He is siting claims about heavy metals and other contaminants being released into the area. He tries to make people believe he is fighting for the City, not his business interest according to the article in tonites Enterprise. We'll see how this works out in the long run.

[fishpoopoo]

here's an example of NIMBY that we would probably all agree to.

right now, hydro turbines are all the rage.

they utilize tidal currents to generate electricity. kinda like how windmill farms use wind.

they are green in every respect ... except they happen to chop up aquatic life.

how many people here would allow such devices to be used to generate electricity ... if it meant that a few million striped bass or a good chunk of their forage get turned into chum?

(on the other hand, if it was 10,000 seals ...)

[fishpoopoo]

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