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12-28-2007, 11:42 AM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
Posts: 3,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
You guys should just see the light and stop using plugs, you'll catch more on eels anyway......
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The most intelligent post yet.
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It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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12-28-2007, 01:21 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Southern NH
Posts: 3,781
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just ordered a pallet of popcorn 
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Good health and family
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12-28-2007, 03:45 PM
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Permanently Disconnected
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 12,647
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Wanna share?
I don't give out free plugs to anyone anymore either
No rumpswabbery
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Originally Posted by Skitterpop
just ordered a pallet of popcorn 
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12-28-2007, 04:56 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 1,990
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BM makes some excellent plugs. One of the best builders around.
People are gonna pay for what they want and then some, especially w/ the circus that surrounds those lures. Its silly to me because they are just plugs, a means to catch fish, but maybe its something more for other people. If it makes them happy and they enjoy owning them, god bless.
If he didnt build any other plug than the Johnny Wad needle, Id be happy.
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Sooner or later you're going to realize just as I did that there's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path. - Morpheus
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12-28-2007, 05:41 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Rockaway Beach, NY
Posts: 33
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Years ago you could walk into several LI b&t shops and the latest BM creations were pretty much available. No lines, secret calls or emails needed. Even though only 1 particular plug style was produced at a time and you could wait years before it was made again, there wasn't the hoarding of today. IMO less than a handful of custom builders come even close to the level of consistency as BM, no less the bullet proof finish. I view BM as most other plug builders, this is a labor of love... not profit (obviously from the limited supply). BM isn't getting rich from others taking his creations to e-pay.
NOW, thanks to the internet and more people fishing because of it, availability is something different. At one time the secrets of fishing the beach were held with high regard that few would share. I was lucky to have learned from my dad that learned from his dad. I knew many to give this wonderful sport of ours up out of frustration. All you need now is the internet, a cell phone and Z's book LOL
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12-28-2007, 06:42 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: orange ct
Posts: 2,992
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Years ago when beachmasters were $10 if there was a Striped-bass.com there would not be 5,639, members or SOL 18,954 members. Point is that Surfcasting is riding a wave of popularity that is unprecedented and is extended beyond traditional fisherman to popular culture and madison avenue. When Tommy Hilfiger has ads in the New York Times magazine section with guys and (I use that term loosely) surfcasting in three peice suits, the sport is going mainstream. How many of us have seen people getting out of cars and putting on all gear new out of packages. I saw that at Montauk with SUV's filled with Manhattan types. I saw a woman trying to figure out how to get Korkers on direct from the box.
Popularity brings attention and attention brings dollars that result in demand and price increases. Sometimes on the Buy/Sell thread at SOL there are 900 people on the thread at once.
Were there a thousand people lined up at 5 am at the Asbury Park show years ago?
I think just like Fly fishing and that popularity, Surfcasting will peak and return to just guys bustin butts to catch a cow. But you cannot deny that between guys wanting to fish some good plugs and collectors, prices do not seem to be going down anytime soon.
And as to me --Having a bunch of beachmaster plugs that I fish with and also having a bunch of unfished beachmaster and a few Musso wood plugs to look at makes me happy.
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12-28-2007, 06:42 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NY
Posts: 1,073
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Thanks for that plug Bern.....you'll get a beating next time I see you
I hate to chime in ,don't want to,really ,really don't ..  ....but ...
both of the guys are close friends and I don't think their personal lives should be splatter on the net....in any context.All I can say is that they combined have enough personal misery this year that would probably drive most sane people to drink.
Having said that....
There are still only two guys doing this and orders went from "I'll take a hundred" to "I'll take 1500" from stores.Two guys that really don't want to do this ,at all.One is just as content shooting squirrels in the yard rather then spinning wood  Honest.
For what they make ,they can go three blocks down to local LI store and sell out on each delivery....or they can sell directly only on LI and make retail......yet they stock the stores in NE ,trying to get plugs into the hands of those who will fish them.Yeah ,guys like you that are reading this.
What I get from these treads is a felling some of you feel like BM,RM Smith and late Mr.Habs should do no such thing or have any life before you get your plugs.And they should be stocked 10 deep in your local store.Not at the online retailers but 3 blocks from your house.
C'mon guys ,they are stupid !#%!^* plugs.You want Danny ,buy Gibbs if you cant find BM.Thousands of bass have been laded on Gibbs plugs over they years.What ,the fish got smart and only want "custom" plugs now?
Or as someone said ,toss eels
I for one will not add to this stupid hype on purpose.The only reason I wrote what I wrote in the book is because that is what I fish.But I refuse to say anything online regarding these plugs as some very impressionable people go "he is talking about them ,they must be great".
Silly nonsense...I am just a Croatian googan.I can fish with hand line and stale bread.
Buy Gibbs ,buy Salty ,buy Afterhours but most of all buy Super Strike.To have Don Musso genius condensed in a indestructible plug for $15.....not that should be considered a crime
Last edited by Zeno; 12-29-2007 at 02:44 PM..
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12-28-2007, 08:04 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
Posts: 7,260
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I fish the plugs I can buy and don't join in on all the hype crap
Bombers and Redfins catch just as many bass as any of the
higher end plugs.
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Surfcasting Full Throttle
Don't judge me Monkey
Recreational Surfcaster 99.9% C&R
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12-29-2007, 06:46 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Marshfield, MA
Posts: 6,267
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno
C'mon guys ,they are stupid !#%!^* plugs.
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exactly 
that is the quote of '07
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Live at Leeds
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12-30-2007, 01:54 PM
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Respect your elvers
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: franklin ma
Posts: 3,368
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BernOC
Years ago you could walk into several LI b&t shops and the latest BM creations were pretty much available. No lines, secret calls or emails needed. Even though only 1 particular plug style was produced at a time and you could wait years before it was made again, there wasn't the hoarding of today.
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That's right. Even in Mass, I accumulated a good collection from the same shop over a period of two years from 2003-2005. The real over the top stuff is pretty recent.
The bottom line=superb plugs, but I wouild never pay above retail.
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It's not the bait
At the end of your line
It's the fishing hole
Where all the fish is blind
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12-29-2007, 12:35 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Freeport, N.Y.
Posts: 12
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THe beachmaster is the best plug ever made for salt water fishing. i've never used any that I haven't caught bass on. I had one that I caught hundreds of fish on. I lost it to the prop on a boat. As far as quality goes I find they always get better, and stronger.
Early on when they first started making plugs a group of fisherman realized how good they were. So when BM would finish a batch say 300 they would buy them all up. They didn't want anyone to know what great plugs they were. They over the years purchased thousands of plugs.
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12-29-2007, 01:23 PM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 35,270
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I'm not sure of what some of the above has been alluding to but FLAP and ZENO, please remove the parts regarding someone's personal life. Thanks,,,
John
Quote:
Originally Posted by alb31
THe beachmaster is the best plug ever made for salt water fishing. i've never used any that I haven't caught bass on. I had one that I caught hundreds of fish on. I lost it to the prop on a boat. As far as quality goes I find they always get better, and stronger.
Early on when they first started making plugs a group of fisherman realized how good they were. So when BM would finish a batch say 300 they would buy them all up. They didn't want anyone to know what great plugs they were. They over the years purchased thousands of plugs.
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Hello ALB.
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12-29-2007, 05:45 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
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Flapjaw used to have the same complaints about Hab. He was looking for freebees there too. Now he is in the Bigfish camp promoting his handouts, perhaps until that supply runs dry. A real piece work. If I remember correctly he kisses butt when face to face,so maybe he is just trying to get a rise again. Worst thing that ever happened is he talked so much he became a credible source to some. He has a lot of knowledge, just not as much as he thinks.
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12-29-2007, 05:57 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
Posts: 23,392
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For the record Sea Dangles.....Flaptail didn't do or say anything for me because I gave him anything......I have had a few others mention my plugs....does that mean I "bought" them too? I let my work stand on its own merits......they are hard earned and not begged, bought or bribed for! I have no issue with you or Beachmaster so please leave me out of your winter rants!
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