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wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:10 PM

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You mean like holding on to the ball too long? Or forcing a pass that shouldn't be thrown?Or taking a long sack instead of getting rid of the ball?Or forcing it into coverage and geting a pick?Or not being able to make the hot read quick,getting happy feet,pinching a loaf and throwing it up for grabs? Which of those Bledsoe traits did he learn?Thankfully none...

What i remember about beldsoe was how he was the face of your franchise and took them from a 2 win season to a superbowl. Many times with so many passing attempts that it was not funny. I can't remember a QB who had to throw more than bledsoe! did he do all of those things you talk about, yes. Look at favre, he did all those things for the past few years. Wow you get favre a running game and some receivers and its the same brett favre.

How was he in that drive against pittsburg?

Are you saying that Brady learned nothing from Bledsoe. And if he would have had xy or z teaching him he would have been as good as he was a quickly???

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:21 PM

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You must have missed the pass the Drew threw RIGHT AT THE PITT'S LB he didn't even see.It bounced right off his chest and would have been a pick six had he caught it. If it wasn't for Mo Lewis,the Pats would have never won that first Super Bowl. NO WAY IN HELL that Bledsoe marches the Pats down the field in that drive that Brady did for the field goal..

selective memory my friend. Where was his O'Line???

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wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:34 PM

I remember your precious brady needing a touchdown drive last year in Indianapolis and what happened, oh yea he found marlin Jackson but marlon was colt. OOOPS!!!

I don't remember brady ever leading a playoff comeback drive FOR A TOUCHDOWN when his team needed it. UI could be wrong but I don't remember it.

I remember your dynasty giving up a 21-3 halftime lead. That's a large lead to let go for a dynasty with the greatest coach ever. I remember NE being up with like 3 or 4 minutes left in that game and Brady couldn't keep the ball and you gave it back to the colts.

Maybe you forgot about that or maybe it was selective memory. Bledsoe was a good quarterback, try to think really really hard it will come back to you. he was also an excellent team player who always helped Brady and Brady always mentioned it and gave him thanks. Too bad the NE fans don't remember that.

This is up there with comparing jim rice to mickey mantle.

BigFish · 01-17-2008, 08:38 PM

Well......for the record.....I hated Bledsoe from the day he was drafted! Just never liked him! Yeah he had the physical attributes.....a shotgun arm.......big tall frame.....but he lacked the subtle things needed to be a winner! Marino did too! You can have all the passing yards and all the touchdowns....but if they don't happen when you need them to win.....what good are they? I agree Bledsoe was a great leader, team mate and team player.....but I cringed everytime he ever was on the field!

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:41 PM

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Now if that's not a bitter,pissed off Jersey guy,I don't know what is. And you must have just seen Bledose in the post season.Guess what guy??I saw him in pre,regular AND post season..From his first flipping start...Was he good? Sure.But guess what GUY?There's a lot of good QB's in the league. Good quarterback's aren't going to win you a Super Bowl. My memory is fine guy,so do yourself a favor and drop the selective memory thingy you like to put into all your posts here.

So if bledsoe was good, put him in a class of other "good quarterbacks" mr selective memory.

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:46 PM

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Will do chief...

waiting chief

Raider Ronnie · 01-17-2008, 08:28 PM

So how would Brady have done if he had to start his rookie season ???
John Elway was one of the greatest ever, but he started in his rookie season and was pretty bad !

BigFish · 01-17-2008, 08:31 PM

I think under Bledsoe, as SK said, Brady learned more about what "NOT" to do....than what to do! And yes....he was better off for having that opportunity in my opinion! I agree Ronnie!

Did Romo start his career in Dallas under Bledsoe???

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

I think under Bledsoe, as SK said, Brady learned more about what "NOT" to do....than what to do! And yes....he was better off for having that opportunity in my opinion! I agree Ronnie!

Did Romo start his career in Dallas under Bledsoe???

Romo was there a year before bledsoe, but he did learn a lot under bledsoe. somethings you learn from others and something you have to learn on your own. Romo still gives credit to Bledsoe and visits him in the offseason to go over football. Romo has called bledsoe a mentor at times and ocassionally you will see Bledsoe at Cowboy games.

fishaholic18 · 01-18-2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

I think under Bledsoe, as SK said, Brady learned more about what "NOT" to do....than what to do! And yes....he was better off for having that opportunity in my opinion! I agree Ronnie!

Did Romo start his career in Dallas under Bledsoe???

Great point Larry..

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:37 PM

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Who knows.How did Jamarcus Russell do??

he really didn't play this year. But he really doesn't have a great mentor over there. Brooks is no Bledsoe

Raider Ronnie · 01-17-2008, 08:40 PM

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Who knows.How did Jamarcus Russell do??

The Raider spoon fed Russell the whole season and let him play a bit the last few games to get some experience.
Had he been thrown into the fire early on he would have most likely thrown 30-40 ints just like most every high draft pick quarterback who started his rookie season!

Bye the way, I NEVER wanted (still don't) Russell !!!
I wanted to draft Adrien Peterson !

BigFish · 01-17-2008, 08:45 PM

The Cowboys.....at no time in their history....ever dominated a decade as the Patriots have under Bill Belichik and owner Bob Kraft! And......they are not close to done yet!

Raider Ronnie · 01-17-2008, 08:48 PM

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The Cowboys.....at no time in their history....ever dominated a decade as the Patriots have under Bill Belichik and owner Bob Kraft! And......they are not close to done yet!

The Cowboys also NEVER had a 30 year loosing history like the Pats !!!

BigFish · 01-17-2008, 08:50 PM

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The Cowboys also NEVER had a 30 year loosing history like the Pats !!!

Regardless Ronnie.....that was then and....this is now! And we are loving it!

Raider Ronnie · 01-17-2008, 08:51 PM

So does anyone agree with my original comment that Brady has had the easier rd to travel in his career than Manning ???

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:53 PM

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The Cowboys also NEVER had a 30 year loosing history like the Pats !!!

Ronnie,

That is a problem with ownership sometimes. if you can't win for 30 years the problem is with ownership's commitment to winning.

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

The Cowboys.....at no time in their history....ever dominated a decade as the Patriots have under Bill Belichik and owner Bob Kraft! And......they are not close to done yet!

92-95 were not to bad years. yes they were a dynasty. It is tough to compare dynasty's from different decades, because the game changes and so does the speed, but the Patriots dynasty is definetly better than the cowboys for a few reasons.

When you win 5 superbowls, are the wealthiest sport franchise in the world and generate the most money for any team in the nfl then come talk to me about ownership

BigFish · 01-17-2008, 08:57 PM

I think you are right Ronnie...but he has the weight of the world on his shoulders now!

Wrikerjr.....I mean no disrespect to the Cowboys! I am a football fan and enjoyed watching them and all their success through the years! They had plenty of success! I just think the Patriots are doing things right now that have never been done and this, I think, is going to go on for at least 3-4 more years....if we are lucky! If they cap this season with a Superbowl victory.......they will sit at the top of the all-time heap in my opinion!

The Dad Fisherman · 01-17-2008, 10:08 PM

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are the wealthiest sport franchise in the world

The Cowboys Are NOT the wealthiest sport franchise in the World....I think Manchester United might have something to say about that......as well as the Yankees

and as far as putting Bledsoe in the company of other similar QB's I'd Say he's comparable to

Warren Moon
Jim Kelly
Dan Fouts

Gunslingers that really couldn't put together the Big win when they needed it.

Don't get me wrong, I like Bledsoe, the Pats wouldn't be where they are now without him. He was one of the reasons they've built themselves to where we are now. he filled the seats and generated huge income for the team. I also don't fault him for the Superbowl Loss....that one was Parcell's Fault

and also as far as Brady not being able to get a touchdown when they need one to win a game because he FINALLY through an INT to the colts last year is crazy talk.

The Guy had a 16-0 season and during that season he had last minute scoring drives (all TD's) against the Eagles, Ravens, and Giants.

wrikerjr · 01-17-2008, 08:39 PM

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What does his O line have to do with making stupid decisions my friend???Funny..Brady took the same exact team,AND O LINE,to a Lombardi...I know it sucks that the Yankees and Cowboys are both done for the year,but please...

How many championships your teams have. When you get to my level lets compare. I am happy you are seeing some success, I honestly am, but the patriots are no cowboys franchise and the red sox compared to the yankees.