Curious Question?/Peyton Manning!

[BigFish]

First off.....I want to start out by saying I have great respect for Peyton Manning and believe him to be one of the most talented QB's I have ever seen......ever! That being said, I have been listening to many of the sports talk shows recently and hearing the talk about Tom Brady being the best Quarterback that has ever played the game! I could not agree more but I believe Peyton Manning to be right up there! My question is this.......how do you think Peyton Mannings game would change if he were wearing Patriots colors and throwing for this team??? Would he improve??? Or would he not improve???

[wrikerjr]

that is very difficult to say. Peyton is definetly an elite QB, but he has also been a victim of some very unlucky plays at times.

As far as being on the patriots, I assume you mean the patriots this year with all the weapons. I am not sure that it would change his game much. He can make every throw in the book, and make it extremely well. The colts have a great offensive attack, not like the patriots attack that will probably go down as one of the best ever. The issue that I could see is with the coaches. the coaching styles of BB and Dungy are very different and I am not sure that Manning would blend with BB. There have been games were peyton would be calling the plays. I don't think BB would really accept that.

what makes this difficult is that Peyton had the 2nd best quarterback season ever a few years ago on the colts and he has won a championship. Some of his playoff losses were not on his shoulders.

[BigFish]

I agree with most of what you say! I can't even wrap my head around my own question! To put it simply, as you say, with the weapons we have on the Pats right now......plug Manning into the Brady outlet.....what would happen....coaching aside?

I think first of all, of the time Manning might have in the pocket as Brady has had......what a benefit! Then I think of Randy Moss catching Manning, who I think is one of the best "long pass" tossers of all time! The guy can thread a needle from 60 yards away! Marvin Harrison is good but he is no Randy Moss! I think the thought of it is scary!

[fishaholic18]

Two totally different QB's. Brady has everything Peyton has but Brady has greater vision, quicker release, ability to look off defenders better and is much more patient in the pocket. Did you ever see Peyton fight off defenders like Tom does? He's a special player for sure.

[BigFish]

I agree with all of those Dave.......thats what makes Brady the best! He is cooooollll under pressure!

[Raider Ronnie]

Both are great !
Not worth arguing.
Brady will never play for the Colts and Manning will never play for the Pats.

[Raider Ronnie]

I will say,
Tom has had a bit easier rd traveled being able to sit behind Bledsoe and learn for a few years.
Manning had the weight of the team on his back from day 1, starting from his rookie season.

[fishaholic18]

What the hell did Drew have to do with Tom? Drew proved several times that he sucked...

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

What the hell did Drew have to do with Tom? Drew proved several times that he sucked...

Tom had the chance to sit back and learn instead of being thrown into the fire right away!
I'm pretty sure the only guy i've ever seen start as a rookie and play great was Dan Marino!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

What the hell did Drew have to do with Tom? Drew proved several times that he sucked...

you think that bledsoe didn't teach brady somethings along the way? Brady is one of the 5 best qb's ever and may be the top one when its over, but to say he didn't learn under bledsoe is a niave statement.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

I think this year was the perfect example..Manning w/o his binky/safety blanket in Harrison being out most of the year struggled. Also down the stretch,the Colt's running game wasn't as productive as earlier in the year (take note all the Maroney haters out there who wondered why Maroney wasn't seeing time all year). Another words, when Manning isn't surrounded by a productive running game and all world receiver,he struggled. Brady's won three Super Bowls with the same exact type of team Manning had this season. We saw it in plain view during the Colts/Pats game in November..All the mediots were using the "But the Colts were injured" excuse for their..BS. Unless Manning or Brady are injured and out,neither team can use injuries as an excuse for a loss..And the only thing Brady learned from Bledsoe,is HOW NOT to play QB in the NFL..

I agree with 90% of that, but some of the reasons that the colts lost that game were miscues on the teams part, not necessarily manning. You rarely see the pat's make a miscue at all.

In a really tight bigtime game the colts will usually loose them, while the pat's will usually win them. the difference is BB and his team discipline.

You guys must hate beldsoe, but he was a very good quarterback and brady said that he taught him alot. Bledsoe carried your franchise for a number of years. I also remember Bledsoe playing with a broken finger on his right hand for several games just to get into the playoffs. If you had an offensive line or a running game bledsoe would have been better, that is not his fault. I remember bledsoe on his back a ton during his career especially with the pats. Didn't he also have a huge drive against the steelers when you almight brady hurt his ankle.

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.

[Raider Ronnie]

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.[/QUOTE]


Go into the archives and read some of their comments about Randy Moss when he played for the Raiders !
Some of them have also put down Adam Vinatieri since he's been a Colt!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

You mean like holding on to the ball too long? Or forcing a pass that shouldn't be thrown?Or taking a long sack instead of getting rid of the ball?Or forcing it into coverage and geting a pick?Or not being able to make the hot read quick,getting happy feet,pinching a loaf and throwing it up for grabs? Which of those Bledsoe traits did he learn?Thankfully none...

What i remember about beldsoe was how he was the face of your franchise and took them from a 2 win season to a superbowl. Many times with so many passing attempts that it was not funny. I can't remember a QB who had to throw more than bledsoe! did he do all of those things you talk about, yes. Look at favre, he did all those things for the past few years. Wow you get favre a running game and some receivers and its the same brett favre.

How was he in that drive against pittsburg?

Are you saying that Brady learned nothing from Bledsoe. And if he would have had xy or z teaching him he would have been as good as he was a quickly???

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.

Go into the archives and read some of their comments about Randy Moss when he played for the Raiders !
Some of them have also put down Adam Vinatieri since he's been a Colt![/QUOTE]

I can tell how the memories here are. It's more about praising the current players and bashing ex-players or great players who are not on New England teams.

I am waiting for a thread on how overrated Troy Brown was.

without Vinatieri you don't even have a dynasty. I still think one day letting Vinatieri will cost you big time, although your kicker now is very good as well.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

You must have missed the pass the Drew threw RIGHT AT THE PITT'S LB he didn't even see.It bounced right off his chest and would have been a pick six had he caught it. If it wasn't for Mo Lewis,the Pats would have never won that first Super Bowl. NO WAY IN HELL that Bledsoe marches the Pats down the field in that drive that Brady did for the field goal..

selective memory my friend. Where was his O'Line???oke:

[Raider Ronnie]

So how would Brady have done if he had to start his rookie season ???
John Elway was one of the greatest ever, but he started in his rookie season and was pretty bad !

[BigFish]

I think under Bledsoe, as SK said, Brady learned more about what "NOT" to do....than what to do! And yes....he was better off for having that opportunity in my opinion! I agree Ronnie!

Did Romo start his career in Dallas under Bledsoe???

[wrikerjr]

I remember your precious brady needing a touchdown drive last year in Indianapolis and what happened, oh yea he found marlin Jackson but marlon was colt. OOOPS!!!

I don't remember brady ever leading a playoff comeback drive FOR A TOUCHDOWN when his team needed it. UI could be wrong but I don't remember it.

I remember your dynasty giving up a 21-3 halftime lead. That's a large lead to let go for a dynasty with the greatest coach ever. I remember NE being up with like 3 or 4 minutes left in that game and Brady couldn't keep the ball and you gave it back to the colts.

Maybe you forgot about that or maybe it was selective memory. Bledsoe was a good quarterback, try to think really really hard it will come back to you. he was also an excellent team player who always helped Brady and Brady always mentioned it and gave him thanks. Too bad the NE fans don't remember that.

This is up there with comparing jim rice to mickey mantle.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by BigFish

I think under Bledsoe, as SK said, Brady learned more about what "NOT" to do....than what to do! And yes....he was better off for having that opportunity in my opinion! I agree Ronnie!

Did Romo start his career in Dallas under Bledsoe???

Romo was there a year before bledsoe, but he did learn a lot under bledsoe. somethings you learn from others and something you have to learn on your own. Romo still gives credit to Bledsoe and visits him in the offseason to go over football. Romo has called bledsoe a mentor at times and ocassionally you will see Bledsoe at Cowboy games.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

Who knows.How did Jamarcus Russell do??

he really didn't play this year. But he really doesn't have a great mentor over there. Brooks is no Bledsoe

[BigFish]

Well......for the record.....I hated Bledsoe from the day he was drafted! Just never liked him! Yeah he had the physical attributes.....a shotgun arm.......big tall frame.....but he lacked the subtle things needed to be a winner! Marino did too! You can have all the passing yards and all the touchdowns....but if they don't happen when you need them to win.....what good are they? I agree Bledsoe was a great leader, team mate and team player.....but I cringed everytime he ever was on the field!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

What does his O line have to do with making stupid decisions my friend???Funny..Brady took the same exact team,AND O LINE,to a Lombardi...I know it sucks that the Yankees and Cowboys are both done for the year,but please...

How many championships your teams have. When you get to my level lets compare. I am happy you are seeing some success, I honestly am, but the patriots are no cowboys franchise and the red sox compared to the yankees.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

Who knows.How did Jamarcus Russell do??

The Raider spoon fed Russell the whole season and let him play a bit the last few games to get some experience.
Had he been thrown into the fire early on he would have most likely thrown 30-40 ints just like most every high draft pick quarterback who started his rookie season!

Bye the way, I NEVER wanted (still don't) Russell !!!
I wanted to draft Adrien Peterson !

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

Now if that's not a bitter,pissed off Jersey guy,I don't know what is. And you must have just seen Bledose in the post season.Guess what guy??I saw him in pre,regular AND post season..From his first flipping start...Was he good? Sure.But guess what GUY?There's a lot of good QB's in the league. Good quarterback's aren't going to win you a Super Bowl. My memory is fine guy,so do yourself a favor and drop the selective memory thingy you like to put into all your posts here.

So if bledsoe was good, put him in a class of other "good quarterbacks" mr selective memory.

[BigFish]

The Cowboys.....at no time in their history....ever dominated a decade as the Patriots have under Bill Belichik and owner Bob Kraft! And......they are not close to done yet!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by BigFish

I agree with most of what you say! I can't even wrap my head around my own question! To put it simply, as you say, with the weapons we have on the Pats right now......plug Manning into the Brady outlet.....what would happen....coaching aside?

I think first of all, of the time Manning might have in the pocket as Brady has had......what a benefit! Then I think of Randy Moss catching Manning, who I think is one of the best "long pass" tossers of all time! The guy can thread a needle from 60 yards away! Marvin Harrison is good but he is no Randy Moss! I think the thought of it is scary!

Sorry, this thread got a little off the question. for that i apologize. I think that Manning may have had as good a year as Brady, but it is very difficult to say because Brady's numbers are unmatched and just flat out crazy. IMO Manning and Brady differences are so small because they both do everything incredibly well.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

Will do chief...

waiting chief

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by BigFish

The Cowboys.....at no time in their history....ever dominated a decade as the Patriots have under Bill Belichik and owner Bob Kraft! And......they are not close to done yet!

The Cowboys also NEVER had a 30 year loosing history like the Pats !!!

[BigFish]

I just think Brady is cooler under pressure....and that might be his greatest attribute.....other than the quick read and the way he moves in the pocket! His peripheral vision is amazing as the pocket begins to collapse he just moves forward and finds his receivers! Manning, quite frequently, shows his fear with his "happy feet" as he did in the Giants game the other day! The opposition sees this and they smell blood in the water!

[BigFish]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

The Cowboys also NEVER had a 30 year loosing history like the Pats !!!

Regardless Ronnie.....that was then and....this is now! And we are loving it!