Obama seeks common ground?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Wait, when Americans go to other countries, we aren't suppose to beat our chest and expect all to yield to our greatness, driven by testosterone and a feeling of superiority?

I'm all for patriotism. But this isn't like when the Yankees come to town and you tell the guy next to you from NYC to eat sh$t and die because he's wearing a Jeter jersey.

It's almost like many people here have the same mentality of Kim Jong-il‎ - "We are the supreme leaders of all. The entire world is against us, when they should be bowing to our might."

You are taking an extreme position here JD. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for what the US has done in Iraq. We have lost lives to free a country from a brutal dictator. Something to be proud of. Our men and women are doing the right thing over their.

We do more for the world then anyone. If we have to remind the world of the sacrifices that were made then I see know problem with it. What if the US just ignored what went on beyond our borders. Not the utopia of a world that you envision. Like it or not, the world needs a strong US.

Your Yankee anology was pathetic in how it lacks respect for what the USA has done.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

You are taking an extreme position here JD. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for what the US has done in Iraq. We have lost lives to free a country from a brutal dictator. Something to be proud of. Our men and women are doing the right thing over their.

We do more for the world then anyone. If we have to remind the world of the sacrifices that were made then I see know problem with it. What if the US just ignored what went on beyond our borders. Not the utopia of a world that you envision. Like it or not, the world needs a strong US.

Your Yankee anology was pathetic in how it lacks respect for what the USA has done.

The flaw in your entire post is your opinion that the US needs to be the world's police force. I disagree. I don't want my money going to rebuild other countries when the one I live in is far from perfect - with kids not having food on the table, veterans living on the streets, Mexican cartels ruining the South-west, etc.

Yes, we've lost a lot of lives "liberating" the Iraqi people. However, I'm willing to bet more Iraqi people have died since the US invasion than under Saddam's dictatorship.

I don't have some delusional opinion that the world is an utopia. But you seem to be under the insane opinion that through war, the US can make the world one.

My Yankee analogy personifies half your posts about how Obama doesn't have enough balls when he goes over there and how the world should bow to the American President like he's some Supreme leader of the world.

You're out of your mind.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

The flaw in your entire post is your opinion that the US needs to be the world's police force. I disagree. I don't want my money going to rebuild other countries when the one I live in is far from perfect - with kids not having food on the table, veterans living on the streets, Mexican cartels ruining the South-west, etc.

Yes, we've lost a lot of lives "liberating" the Iraqi people. However, I'm willing to bet more Iraqi people have died since the US invasion than under Saddam's dictatorship.

I don't have some delusional opinion that the world is an utopia. But you seem to be under the insane opinion that through war, the US can make the world one.

My Yankee analogy personifies half your posts about how Obama doesn't have enough balls when he goes over there and how the world should bow to the American President like he's some Supreme leader of the world.

You're out of your mind.

What is lost to you is that the national security of this country is dependent on all the international good will and "police work" we do. To think otherwise is living with your head in the sand. You are the one that has lost touch with reality my friend. Millions were killed under Saddam. don't recall anyone saying "through war you can make the world one" Nice try JD

It doesn't take balls to speak the truth. It takes balls to lie through your teeth. Obama has huge balls.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

What is lost to you is that the national security of this country is dependent on all the international good will and "police work" we do.

It doesn't take balls to speak the truth. It takes balls to lie through your teeth. Obama has huge balls.

Buck, you've really been spewing some seriously untenable arguments in this thread. Nothing new I guess...

It's funny how you think "international good will" is important when you need it to be, but write off all the arguments against policy that erodes it as necessary to our security.

You can't have it both ways.

You've said that Obama is lying and has empowered our enemies with this speech. Please post some specifics and back your argument up.

Otherwise it's just more fluff.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Buck, you've really been spewing some seriously untenable arguments in this thread. Nothing new I guess...


You can't have it both ways.


-spence

I find you saying this ironic as hell.
Spence your blinded by your love for this guy. He has accomplished nothing good for this country since he took office. He has spent trillions to save the economy yet the jobless rate is at an all time high. We are in debt beyond what we will ever be able to pay back. He has crushed the dollar value and those hens are about to roost. I feel he has weekened our security. He has created Czar afer Czar. Mishandled the Auto industry. He is a one man disaster that is doing to us, what the terrorist only dreamed they could accomplish.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I find you saying this ironic as hell.
Spence your blinded by your love for this guy. He has accomplished nothing good for this country since he took office. He has spent trillions to save the economy yet the jobless rate is at an all time high. We are in debt beyond what we will ever be able to pay back. He has crushed the dollar value and those hens are about to roost. I feel he has weekened our security. He has created Czar afer Czar. Mishandled the Auto industry. He is a one man disaster that is doing to us, what the terrorist only dreamed they could accomplish.

I think you forgot to read my posts

The dollar is stronger than at this point last year, Cheney said that deficits don't matter, and Obama is practicing a reality based foreign policy that has a loooooonnnngggg way to go before he can correct all the damage that Bush did.

I have no love for Obama. This sounds just like the defense of Bush that his detractors are simply obsessed with the personalty rather than attacking the policy.

If you remember this thread was about Obama's speech in Eqypt and how you think it's made us less safe.

I've yet to hear any real analysis to back up this claim.

-spence

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

If you remember this thread was about Obama's speech in Eqypt and how you think it's made us less safe.

I've yet to hear any real analysis to back up this claim.

-spence

Not to add to the pile...
still waiting???

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

I have no love for Obama. -spence

Liar, liar, Brooks Brothers slacks on fire.

SpenceObama

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by buckman

You are taking an extreme position here JD. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for what the US has done in Iraq. We have lost lives to free a country from a brutal dictator. Something to be proud of. Our men and women are doing the right thing over their.

We do more for the world then anyone. If we have to remind the world of the sacrifices that were made then I see know problem with it. What if the US just ignored what went on beyond our borders. Not the utopia of a world that you envision. Like it or not, the world needs a strong US.

Your Yankee anology was pathetic in how it lacks respect for what the USA has done.

Mega Extreme Right Wing "DITTOS" I've said about all I am going to on this, as some of these guys will never see the light. Obama shows utter disrespect for those of us serving in the military or have served in the military. Its simply amazing how he can speak out of both sides of his ass, and people only hear the bits and pieces they want.

Same as you, I heard things I agreed with, but then went apoplectic over some other things he said. But I can see the truth, he is talking both sides, counting on peoples stupidity that they will walk away remembering only the parts they liked.


I'm spending the weekend on the water and away from this section until monday as I seem to be getting angry a little too easy at the left these days.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

You are taking an extreme position here JD. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for what the US has done in Iraq. We have lost lives to free a country from a brutal dictator. Something to be proud of. Our men and women are doing the right thing over their.

More than lost lives, we're going to spend nearly two trillion dollars in the process, nearly ZERO of which is going to benefit the American Taxpayer directly.

The policy that got us into Iraq was reckless at best and dishonest at worst. The tens of millions of people who we have directly impacted feel slighted at best and are responding with violence at worst.

To write off any criticism of CIVILIAN policy as disrespecting a MILITARY organization that takes its orders from said civilian leadership is ANTI-MILITARY to the core as it's placing responsibility for those orders on the troops themselves.

Not the utopia of a world that you envision. Like it or not, the world needs a strong US.

This is the basis for the neocon argument that infected US policy under Bush 43. The world "needs" us to lead them.

Man, that's some arrogant %$%$%$%$. In a world where 19 guys with box cutters can kill nearly 3 thousand people, one might think a little humility is in order.

Or, we could just work to piss everybody off and claim superiority. Yes, that's a recipe for success...

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

More than lost lives, we're going to spend nearly two trillion dollars in the process, nearly ZERO of which is going to benefit the American Taxpayer directly. I think the American taxpayers have grown used to having their money taken and receiving no benefit...

The policy that got us into Iraq was reckless at best and dishonest at worst. The tens of millions of people who we have directly impacted feel slighted at best and are responding with violence at worst. and some really appreciate our efforts, Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan...wow...you know if you really think about it, we've liberated a ton of people in the last hundred years, just goes to show you that people don't really appreciate you enough... till you're gone...and we're going...going...ggggg


To write off any criticism of CIVILIAN policy as disrespecting a MILITARY organization that takes its orders from said civilian leadership is ANTI-MILITARY to the core as it's placing responsibility for those orders on the troops themselves.this is jibberish, it's Friday, have you begun drinking?


This is the basis for the neocon argument that infected US policy under Bush 43. The world "needs" us to lead them."neocon" is a racial slur

Man, that's some arrogant %$%$%$%$. In a world where 19 guys with box cutters can kill nearly 3 thousand people, one might think a little humility is in order. this sounds exactly like something Osama Bin Laden (oops, I almost said Osama Obama) would say, or have said

Or, we could just work to piss everybody off and claim superiority. Yes, that's a recipe for success...stop all foreign aid, that ought to piss em' off, and let em' fight their own battles too!

-spence

go fishing Spence!

[spence]

Does your response have any substance? I don't seem to see any...



-spence