Plovers anyone?

[Karl F]

likweed... the STATE
laws apply, even in the National Seashore...
and even take presidence over the Feds...
the bird folk have higher power, in the Pay State....

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Karl F

likweed... the STATE
laws apply, even in the National Seashore...
and even take presidence over the Feds...
the bird folk have higher power, in the Pay State....

Not when they start playing stupid games they don't.
They'd have to get fed approval to pull that crap.

And its a good source of income. Nevermind the fact that it might as well be Crack Cod these days.

[Karl F]

Ted..National Park by law cannot make a profit..so good source of income, is a moot point for them...
Scott Melvin weilds the might bird patrol, with the strong backing of the MA Audubon... he is like the wizard of plover and terns..what he says...goes.
Never mind vejhicle access... they just plain want people off the beaches... period.

cape crowd..crack cod, cape crap... all apply...and any other play on words.. ...

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Karl F

Ted..National Park by law cannot make a profit..so good source of income, is a moot point for them...

But its a 2 way street you see.

Close more down for the birds = less beachgoers.
Shut them down more = kiss the Cape's summer income goodbye.
Summer income gone = nobody to pay the wages of the booth kids and the park rangers.
People running the NP see this = they get pissed.

There aren't enough bird people to keep it all open.
They'll learn sooner or later.
Or they won't and nobody will go on the beach at all and everyone loses.

[Raven]

means more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Raven

means more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

what they want to accomplish Raven , is to keep people off the beaches and leave it to nature.
Last I checked, humans ARE part of nature.
screw them

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by Raven

means more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

Know This...
it is NOT about the birds, never has been, never will be..
it is about getting US off the beaches...
they have taken away 30 miles or so of it...
Mother Nature has taken away several miles of it..
we are only holding onto a few weeks use of a handfull of miles..
(on the cape)...
when Mother Nature is done, and the bird nazi's get their way with whats left...it will be over...
I don't mind loosing to Mother Nature... that is inevitable...
but I will NEVER say...we had a good bird year, or see the glass as half full... the glass is damn near empty, and has a gaping hole in the bottom!

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by likwid

But its a 2 way street you see.

Close more down for the birds = less beachgoers.
Shut them down more = kiss the Cape's summer income goodbye.
Summer income gone = nobody to pay the wages of the booth kids and the park rangers.
People running the NP see this = they get pissed.

There aren't enough bird people to keep it all open.
They'll learn sooner or later.
Or they won't and nobody will go on the beach at all and everyone loses.

The Feds do NOT Care about local biz (and even less about a "summer employees at RP)
The State...ditto..
and the local boards of selectmen... same..

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Karl F

The Feds do NOT Care about local biz (and even less about a "summer employees at RP)
The State...ditto..
and the local boards of selectmen... same..

which equals

NO REPRESENTATION

[2na]

Slip and Karl both have it - they want it to revert to nature and they don't care about us, the residents, or jobs. Remember 10 years ago, they shut down the entire NW logging industry because of an 'endangered' northern spotted owl that turned out to not be so endangered. As I type, they have shut off water to 1/2 of the California farmland, the breadbasket of the US, because of a minnow. Both of these acts have put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and destroyed (or are in the process of destroying) communities. We should be at home working on ways to better the environment and community and not hurting fish or scaring birds and seals. That's mean.

Keeping a few thousands of people like us who want to drive a beach? Compared to ruining the livelihood of the people in Washington state and California? No pun intended, but we are small fry.

[2na]

They didn't get fed approval to put terns on the 'protect at all costs' list, did they? Or did I miss that? That is what is holding the beach opening this year. One single tern had a nest at the bottom of the north access at the ranger station (three weeks ago, after most of the north side had opened). Once it hatched, shut it back down - too bad. And as I said to Patrick, the reason that 1/2 of the south beach is shut (2.5+miles) is because that is where the tern colony resides. And if you drive what is open, a substantial part of it has the beach roped off, you can only pass by - because the terns like that little stretch of sand. Can't be bothering the terns, you know. Welcome to MA. Plovers are nothing - there are 50x as many terns. And next will be some other bird that starts nesting on the beach because it is protected. Last year, just because one of the Fish & Wildlife bird freaks thought they saw a royal tern (endangered) they roped off a mile of beach just in case it wanted to come back. What a crock of shi'ite.

The beach may be federal, but they (the National Park Service) are under orders from Washington to honor the requests of the host states - and the state of MA wants the beach for birds, and wants 'birds (to) come first' - that is the exact statement. If you know anyone higher up in the MBBA, ask them. The rangers hate this crap as much as we do - it is the Fish & Wildlife side of the NPS that governs this, and it is full of environmental extremists.