Plovers anyone?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Karl F

Ted..National Park by law cannot make a profit..so good source of income, is a moot point for them...

But its a 2 way street you see.

Close more down for the birds = less beachgoers.
Shut them down more = kiss the Cape's summer income goodbye.
Summer income gone = nobody to pay the wages of the booth kids and the park rangers.
People running the NP see this = they get pissed.

There aren't enough bird people to keep it all open.
They'll learn sooner or later.
Or they won't and nobody will go on the beach at all and everyone loses.

[Raven]

means more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Raven

means more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

what they want to accomplish Raven , is to keep people off the beaches and leave it to nature.
Last I checked, humans ARE part of nature.
screw them

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by Raven

means more predators running wild unchecked

eating the plovers which is exactly opposite
of what they are trying to accomplish

friggan morons

Know This...
it is NOT about the birds, never has been, never will be..
it is about getting US off the beaches...
they have taken away 30 miles or so of it...
Mother Nature has taken away several miles of it..
we are only holding onto a few weeks use of a handfull of miles..
(on the cape)...
when Mother Nature is done, and the bird nazi's get their way with whats left...it will be over...
I don't mind loosing to Mother Nature... that is inevitable...
but I will NEVER say...we had a good bird year, or see the glass as half full... the glass is damn near empty, and has a gaping hole in the bottom!

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by likwid

But its a 2 way street you see.

Close more down for the birds = less beachgoers.
Shut them down more = kiss the Cape's summer income goodbye.
Summer income gone = nobody to pay the wages of the booth kids and the park rangers.
People running the NP see this = they get pissed.

There aren't enough bird people to keep it all open.
They'll learn sooner or later.
Or they won't and nobody will go on the beach at all and everyone loses.

The Feds do NOT Care about local biz (and even less about a "summer employees at RP)
The State...ditto..
and the local boards of selectmen... same..

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Karl F

The Feds do NOT Care about local biz (and even less about a "summer employees at RP)
The State...ditto..
and the local boards of selectmen... same..

which equals

NO REPRESENTATION

[2na]

Slip and Karl both have it - they want it to revert to nature and they don't care about us, the residents, or jobs. Remember 10 years ago, they shut down the entire NW logging industry because of an 'endangered' northern spotted owl that turned out to not be so endangered. As I type, they have shut off water to 1/2 of the California farmland, the breadbasket of the US, because of a minnow. Both of these acts have put hundreds of thousands of people out of work and destroyed (or are in the process of destroying) communities. We should be at home working on ways to better the environment and community and not hurting fish or scaring birds and seals. That's mean.

Keeping a few thousands of people like us who want to drive a beach? Compared to ruining the livelihood of the people in Washington state and California? No pun intended, but we are small fry.

[Raven]

with what they can do now with genetic manipulation

especially with mice.....

they could create a genetically altered mouse that could triple
the offspring of spotted owls in no time....

conservation is being approached with the idea of total abstinence
which in my opinion is the completely wrong strategy.

these MF-ers that are so concerned about every friggan animal or fish ought to be worrying about child pornography or the
amount of mercury in the rain or countless other REAL concerns
instead of turning a blind eye to Human health.

this isn't about health care.........if it was, tobacco would be outlawed completely

[MAKAI]

maybe we all join the mass audubon, and change their minds a little.
keep your enemies closer than your friends.
they are not a majority opinion, just organized.
as we should be
2na for president !

[piemma]

Ancient history but funny

I remember in the Summer of 94 sitting in my truck at the Second Rip (which was as far as we could go because of the birds) and watching a Golden Eagle who had two chick, sit on a post with a sign saying that we couldn't drive there because of the "endangered plovers." She would take off every 1/2 hour or so and pick off a plover chick and head for her offspring. So we can't drive where the birds are but Momma Eagle probably ate 50 plovers a week.

Just stupidity if you ask me. Now we have the seals and the plovers. Where does it end? They are protecting everything but our rights.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by piemma

They are protecting everything but our rights.

In reality, rights? Privilege.

Lets make sure to keep it straight.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by likwid

In reality, rights? Privilege.

Lets make sure to keep it straight.

A question of symantics perhaps.
I still feel that I pay my taxes and this is one of the rights that I pay for. The right to free access to federal lands as long as I do no harm in accessing the space.

We certainly will not settle this here.