Mc Donnel (R) wins (VA.) ,Christie (R) NJ

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I've read a few of the post-election articles and I agree RIRockhound.... mountains out of molehills. It's like listening to mid-day sports radio after you've listened to the two shows beforehand - they've gotta come up with something to talk about.

It's going to be concerning for Dems whenever a fellow Dem is voted out, be it at the federal, state or local level. But to say that 2 state governor elections where the seats changed is a reflection on the entire nation's opinion of the Democratic party is like seeing rain outside your window and assuming that it must also be raining in Texas.

It's not like either state has voted for only one party for the last 20 years.

JD, have you read quotes from leaders within the Democratic party? Many of them seem concerned, are they making mountains out of molehills? While a lot can happen between now and the midterms, this is certainly not good for the incumbents.

As for Joe's comment about Dems having nowhere to go but down, that's not entirely true. They could stay right where they are. They don't have to go down.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

JD, have you read quotes from leaders within the Democratic party? Many of them seem concerned, are they making mountains out of molehills?

Yes, yes I do. Regardless of what Democratic leaders say, two state elections cannot be seen as a representation of widespread trends.

Is the fishing in the canal representative of how the fishing at Cutty, BI, the Race and Plymouth is?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Yes, yes I do. Regardless of what Democratic leaders say, two state elections cannot be seen as a representation of widespread trends.

Keep in mind that the Dems are the ones who are worried about these results. It's not my opinion. Now if you truly believe you know more about this than the people quoted on the NYT and WSJ, more power to you.

Is the fishing in the canal representative of how the fishing at Cutty, BI, the Race and Plymouth is?

You're comparing apples to doorknobs with that statement.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

You're comparing apples to doorknobs with that statement.

I disagree. It's 2 state elections, both of which have a history of changing from Dem to Repub every 2-3 terms. It's not like these states have been hard-lined to the Left for the last 50 years.

I'm not at all saying that I know more than WSJ or NYT, but I am saying that they are making news out of nothing. Should this be local news, yes - but national news?

Take Massachusetts. In the next Governor election, there is a damn good chance we will have a Republican Governor - regardless of how much Obama stomps for his good friend Cadillac Deval. Will that demonstrate anything on a national level? Is MA going to suddenly start putting 2 Republicans in the Senate? Will we soon put handful of Republicans into the House (which has only happened 3 times since 1983)?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I disagree. It's 2 state elections, both of which have a history of changing from Dem to Repub every 2-3 terms. It's not like these states have been hard-lined to the Left for the last 50 years.

I'm not at all saying that I know more than WSJ or NYT, but I am saying that they are making news out of nothing. Should this be local news, yes - but national news?

Take Massachusetts. In the next Governor election, there is a damn good chance we will have a Republican Governor - regardless of how much Obama stomps for his good friend Cadillac Deval. Will that demonstrate anything on a national level? Is MA going to suddenly start putting 2 Republicans in the Senate? Will we soon put handful of Republicans into the House (which has only happened 3 times since 1983)?

I'm not sure you're even getting it, JD. There are Democratic leaders who are voicing their concern. The media is reporting it, not maing it up. If the Democrats are concerned, then there may be something to these results. Look at the approval ratings of incumbents now as compared to a month after they were elected.

And you know that Massachusetts is different than other states in the way they vote. That example is poor and can't be used with the rest of the country.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I'm not sure you're even getting it, JD. There are Democratic leaders who are voicing their concern. The media is reporting it, not maing it up. If the Democrats are concerned, then there may be something to these results. Look at the approval ratings of incumbents now as compared to a month after they were elected.

And you know that Massachusetts is different than other states in the way they vote. That example is poor and can't be used with the rest of the country.

I fully "get it". The Dems are voicing their concerns because they are being asked "So what do you think about XXXX election results?"

I also know that you selectively choose one thing that I said and try to refute it with a vague response, while ignoring any of the other supporting evidence.

[scottw]

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