Pogies Being Decimated - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

trapperpierre · 05-28-2010, 02:48 PM

...The two pogie boats have decimated the menhaden at the hurricane barrier and upper bay...........today.....over 50% of population scooped...........

RIJIMMY · 05-28-2010, 03:05 PM

Isn't that the deal? They get 50 percent? Freakin sucks.

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Originally Posted by trapperpierre

...The two pogie boats have decimated the menhaden at the hurricane barrier and upper bay...........today.....over 50% of population scooped...........

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fishbones · 05-28-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Isn't that the deal? They get 50 percent? Freakin sucks.
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I'll keep an eye out for you at the golf course this weekend.

jmac · 05-28-2010, 03:31 PM

....heard that not many pogies were seen today in the Mid Bay...they got them, now they start on the ones up the River.

I was talking with DEM Law Enforcement at the ramp today; We were discussing the menhaden situation/new regs, etc.....He got very defensive when I mentioned that a lot of pogies have been seined since it opened on Monday (if you do the numbers, it's probaly about a million pounds)- he said that all the new regs should work properly, that they are observing what they are doing, etc., etc.....one of the issues is that they are using the bait company spotter planes for quantifying the biomass in the Bay...sorta like the fox minding the hen house.....anyways, time will tell if the new RIDEM Plan works

Adam_777 · 05-28-2010, 03:58 PM

I can smell failure which hopefully should finally lead to banning the boats in the bay completely like all the other states.The guy in the plane can decide which way your season is going to go.I'm sure he gets gifts.This is RI.I am interested in trying figure out the way they think they can even calculate pounds of fish by spotting them overhead.Is there a math equation ? My guess is this.Bear with me but this is how I picture it.The pilot buys coffee.Pilot works for Pogy's-R-us .Pilot makes $$ off whatever is netted....Pilot is not a fisherman and is from another state.He flies over pods of bait.Says to pretty clueless guy" that looks like a half million pound baitball".I've been doing this for 50 years.Slow guy writes down .5 million pounds .Three days later they are up in the bay.The system is corrupt and there's a few groups that think it's ok for them to do what they are doing.I've heard fish kills this that bla bla bla.Fish die and the crabs and other creatures eat them.Three miles off shore these boats can do what ever they want.Stay out of our bay and take the squid busters with you.

trapperpierre · 05-28-2010, 04:03 PM

one million pounds removed from biomass this week(4 days)=approx. 1.2 million individual menhaden scooped........

Gunpowder · 05-28-2010, 04:05 PM

saw that this morning when i was fishing the breachway... at least someone was catching fish

RI Plugger · 05-28-2010, 04:20 PM

This makes me sick,

We have so many problems in the world that we cannot control. This one is easy, ban these boats from the bay and let Narragansett Bay get back to normal. All the money that was spent digging the overflow tunnel to protect the upperbay from sewage overflows , then we go and let this practice disturb the natural cycle in the bay.

Frankiesurf · 05-28-2010, 08:27 PM

The spotter planes are common practice in the herring fishery. Usually the governing body of the state oversees the operation but it is usually still a commercial spotter doing the job.

There is no reason to get angry with the DEM officers. There really is not much they can do with a boat on the water. On the other hand, that catch is weighed somewhere.

kenyee · 05-28-2010, 08:44 PM

went out on the Frances Fleet fluke fishing today and it was slowwwwww.
If the seiners trashed everything today and yesterday, that would explain it... :-P

Clammer · 05-28-2010, 09:07 PM

its been SLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW

afterhours · 05-29-2010, 06:15 AM

save the pogies now.....eff the commercial take. $$$ wise it makes no sense. these few out of state outfits pay peanuts for the license (probably less than a vs reel) and recreactional fishermen add how much to the states economy??? millions i'm sure....time to end this bs.

basswipe · 05-29-2010, 07:35 AM

A guy I work with was out on the bay and said they we selling them directly from their boat to your boat.

Great way to exceed the quota and make a few bucks on the side.

Clammer · 05-29-2010, 07:42 AM

its not funny but its true .................................................. ..........................most of the people on the internet sites / bitch , & moan & groan about the pogie boats / pogie boats / pogie boats .
BUT in the off season . there are meetings held by DEM ..
they are all open meetings / some are to hash [stuff] around / some are the Marine fisheries counsel & others I don,t know whose actually running them ;;but they are ALL open meetings .
that,s the places you all should be doing the bitchin ;
There were changes made to the regulations to the commercial pogie fisheries . most relate to the size gear , indenifing & certifing the nets by the state . // also raising the level pof pogies in the bay until they reach 2 million pounds / otherwise this s $%^&* would have started earlier / also its now law that the DEM <> is suppose to watch them & the amout of pogies in the bay / & fishing would cease when the level went down to 1.5 million ## We have to stay on the states ass ...... ya see stuff [ make the call over & over .....you can bet you life / if they started getting 100,s of calls a day .... not just DEM ... but your rep/ counselmen / senator/ [governor] So we did make some progress .But it going to take numbers that will make the difference ........ that ,s what shakes up the political side of things ;;
You know who spends the most money & makes the most money ,, when the pogies are in ;;
That,s right >>>>>>>>>> the REC angler & the small businesses that make or break off sales related to fishing with pogies ....

Guess WTF ........ @ 99% of the meetings ....... there are no straight [rec] only ; anglers @ any of the meetings . & if there is . they don,t say . #^&#^&#^&#^& S$%^&..

So to me . This same talk . every fu%^&*( year is getting real tired .

Its like .. Do you vote ??? F $%^&*( no .. it doesn,t matter >>>>>>>> then my reply is . then STFU you have no right to bitch ;

If 20% put your moaning & bitching into getting off your asses in the off season & bitchin @ the meetings . These boats wouldn,t be here today

have a good day

Adam_777 · 05-29-2010, 08:08 AM

So what your saying is we need to round up all of the fisherman in the off season and hit DEM meetings.We really should get serious here and start another thread.Ask for all members of this site to give up a few hours of the off season to try and make a difference.We'll need a group leader to keep us all informed of when and where the meetings are.We will also need some facts about neighboring states laws and the effect on the bay and the local economy.Wouldn't want to go in with no information.I for one would sign up to participate in this.I would like to think that from this site alone we could drum up a good size crowd and add a few more members.If we win and get the boats the eff out of the bay it would be a great accomplishment and we would all benefit from it.So who wants to run the show ? Who wants to get information and put it up here so we can print it and take it with us for ammo ?We could also start a petition. I am more than willing to give this a shot.A little information goes a long way.Who else would like to get involved ?

BTW Clammer thanks for the information.Even if it's in clam I understand.I still owe you a few bucks for the S-B sticker.Got anymore ?

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Originally Posted by Clammer

its not funny but its true .................................................. ..........................most of the people on the internet sites / bitch , & moan & groan about the pogie boats / pogie boats / pogie boats .
BUT in the off season . there are meetings held by DEM ..
they are all open meetings / some are to hash [stuff] around / some are the Marine fisheries counsel & others I don,t know whose actually running them ;;but they are ALL open meetings .
that,s the places you all should be doing the bitchin ;
There were changes made to the regulations to the commercial pogie fisheries . most relate to the size gear , indenifing & certifing the nets by the state . // also raising the level pof pogies in the bay until they reach 2 million pounds / otherwise this s $%^&* would have started earlier / also its now law that the DEM <> is suppose to watch them & the amout of pogies in the bay / & fishing would cease when the level went down to 1.5 million ## We have to stay on the states ass ...... ya see stuff [ make the call over & over .....you can bet you life / if they started getting 100,s of calls a day .... not just DEM ... but your rep/ counselmen / senator/ [governor] So we did make some progress .But it going to take numbers that will make the difference ........ that ,s what shakes up the political side of things ;;
You know who spends the most money & makes the most money ,, when the pogies are in ;;
That,s right >>>>>>>>>> the REC angler & the small businesses that make or break off sales related to fishing with pogies ....

Guess WTF ........ @ 99% of the meetings ....... there are no straight [rec] only ; anglers @ any of the meetings . & if there is . they don,t say . #^&#^&#^&#^& S$%^&..

So to me . This same talk . every fu%^&*( year is getting real tired .

Its like .. Do you vote ??? F $%^&*( no .. it doesn,t matter >>>>>>>> then my reply is . then STFU you have no right to bitch ;

If 20% put your moaning & bitching into getting off your asses in the off season & bitchin @ the meetings . These boats wouldn,t be here today

have a good day

afterhours · 05-29-2010, 08:15 AM

i'm with you adam...

Clammer · 05-29-2010, 08:25 AM

There are a few guys on this site that can post when & where meetings are being held .
they arn,t always in the same place .

SB stickers ....... Ya all have been pounding the Boss Man for 2 years ........ I don,t have the contact or the info on where he had them made .

I,ll do all the mailing & stuff but someone has to light a fire & get a rerun of them . I remember that during the winter there was a thread on a new design /logo .But as has been the case NADA was done ;;

Adam_777 · 05-29-2010, 08:36 AM

So your saying you want to be the guy who informs the group of when and where the meetings will be ? All you'll have to do is post a thread with the info and we'll see if we can get the boss to sticky it.Once we get a roster of who would participate we can make sure everyone see's the post through PM's,E-mail or phone.

So we need to hear from the boss about stickers.I'd be willing to donate some $$ into a sticker fund as long as I get one or two.

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Originally Posted by Clammer

There are a few guys on this site that can post when & where meetings are being held .
they arn,t always in the same place .

SB stickers ....... Ya all have been pounding the Boss Man for 2 years ........ I don,t have the contact or the info on where he had them made .

I,ll do all the mailing & stuff but someone has to light a fire & get a rerun of them . I remember that during the winter there was a thread on a new design /logo .But as has been the case NADA was done ;;

stripermaineiac · 05-29-2010, 09:09 AM

If any of you could get some pictures of stripers being thrown off the net boats they would sure go a long way during quote show n tell at those meetings.Ron

Redsoxticket · 05-29-2010, 09:13 AM

Why the off season ?

It could be to late to implement any changes during the off season. Now is the time and not when it is convenient to you during the typical off season.

The off season will happen soon when the bass search for food and the pogies are not there.
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Adam_777 · 05-29-2010, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

Why the off season ?

It could be to late to implement any changes during the off season. Now is the time and not when it is convenient to you during the typical off season.

The off season will happen soon when the bass search for food and the pogies are not there.
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From what Clammer says the meetings are held then.I'm pretty sure your not going to be able to change the rules in place that are there until the season is over.So are you in ? The more people we have the better chance of making a difference we have.

Redsoxticket · 05-29-2010, 09:30 AM

The feds should look into this because I willing to bet people are getting paid off and/or making conflict of interest decisions.
Now that you have a fed fishing license your voice will have a greater impact.
Also the group of people involved with "stripers forever" should be notified to help this cause.
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Clammer · 05-29-2010, 11:33 AM

RST

The meetings are held in the off season .. so & discussion and/or changes can be discussed prior to the next season beginning .

the only thing you can do now / is if you see something going on that you know is illegal //is call dem / again , & again // & again .

they have been around this year / & they are checking ...I got stopped coming back to port Weds & they check everything / licenses/ reg / safety equipment & all my fish & did search all my storage areas for anything that may have been hidden .

the DEM agent told me ... their concerns are . no RI or FED license & noting obeying the fishing reg, ...ie sizes & quanity . they said especially the scup quota ... rec & Commercial ..

Asafar as getting the Feds involved .. IMO what they have gotten involved in so far / they have F $%^&*( up or its heading that way :::

Adam_777 · 05-29-2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

The feds should look into this because I willing to bet people are getting paid off and/or making conflict of interest decisions.
Now that you have a fed fishing license your voice will have a greater impact.
Also the group of people involved with "stripers forever" should be notified to help this cause.
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You know anyone in\from Stripers Forever that we can contact to try and get a wider group this information.Even a link to this thread may start a ball rolling....

Clammer · 05-29-2010, 12:28 PM

A777

I have to pass on that one .. they are against R/R commercial fishing [stripers] & myself & adescent number of members on this site have commercial licenses in different states ;;

afterhours · 05-29-2010, 01:44 PM

i agree with the clamman on not getting stripers forever involved - although i share their goal in making stripers a gamefish, (i was a commercial fisherman in the '80's and helped contribute to the decline) i believe they may be a bit to radical. we need a ri based group to pull this off. my 2 cents.

stripermaineiac · 05-29-2010, 01:59 PM

That's a shame. Back when Stripers Unlimited was going the commercial guys still worked with those of us that were against comercial striper fishing for the good of the fish.A shame that the ethos of the buck has gotten so strong as to kill that. Ron

Clammer · 05-29-2010, 02:05 PM

Ron
Bob Pond worked with us / & we all had/have

a common goal .

S/U takes it too far / soon they will be hooked up with PETA

Don . is also aware that with them it won,t end / If & when the striper is a game fish .. then they will have another agenda ...

IE / no trolling / no live bait // no f $%^&*() hooks

That,s my personal opinion ...mIKE

RIROCKHOUND · 05-29-2010, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by basswipe

A guy I work with was out on the bay and said they we selling them directly from their boat to your boat.

And how many of the people buying the bait signed a no pogy boat petition...

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Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

The feds should look into this because I willing to bet people are getting paid off and/or making conflict of interest decisions.

Knowing some of the biologists at DEM overseeing this, thats a pretty %$%$%$%$ed up thing to accuse people of Vic.

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Originally Posted by Adam_777

You know anyone in\from Stripers Forever that we can contact to try and get a wider group this information.Even a link to this thread may start a ball rolling....

Keep S/F the hell away from it.
Pretty soon it will be 'no pogy fishing for anyone' meaning snagging.
I agree with mike, they are 1 step from PETA!

Jimmy Fee · 05-29-2010, 02:14 PM

Do a quick search on the Salty Dogs. They were instrumental in getting the reduction boats out of Jersey State waters back in 2001 or 2002. No reason a group of passionate fishermen in Rhode Island couldn't do the same thing.