this mosque thing is blowin up for Barry

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

you ability to lie to yourself is stunning...

you need to replace "we know"...with..."I believe" because the two are entirely different things

When the amount of credible reporting, insider accounts and documentation is overwhelming and points to a single conclusion...the difference between "we know" and "I believe" can in fact be so small as the two are indistinguishable.

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Why has the firefighter and policemen unions been silent about this issue of the Mosque, one way or the other?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Why has the firefighter and policemen unions been silent about this issue of the Mosque, one way or the other?

Because they aren't idiotic bigots that believe in the Constitution.

Why are so many on the Right that have stated Obama stomps on the Constitution also so quick to discriminate a group based on their religion?

[Bronko]

Why are so many on the left who despise religion and anything with the word "God" in it so amped up to put a mosque at ground zero?

I mean the left spends countless fortunes fighting to get the pledge of allegiance banned from schools, crosses out of public buildings, "god" off the dollar bill and a santa off the roof at the town hall..... but are fighting for their life to have an Imam who wants America to become Sharia compliant to build a supermosque at the foot of the worst terror attack in our History?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Why are so many on the left who despise religion and anything with the word "God" in it so amped up to put a mosque at ground zero?

I mean the left spends countless fortunes fighting to get the pledge of allegiance banned from schools, crosses out of public buildings, "god" off the dollar bill and a santa off the roof at the town hall..... but are fighting for their life to have an Imam who wants America to become Sharia compliant to build a supermosque at the foot of the worst terror attack in our History?

A fine example of what happens when your primary source of news and information are Sarah Palin's TWEETS

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by spence

A fine example of what happens when your primary source of news and information are Sarah Palin's TWEETS

-spence

Did you mean T_TS UU or Tweets?? I'm confused

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Because they aren't idiotic bigots that believe in the Constitution.

Why are so many on the Right that have stated Obama stomps on the Constitution also so quick to discriminate a group based on their religion?

the small-minded run quickly to their favored insults...

Phoenix Muslim Organization says “Ground Zero Mosque” should not be built

by reneeschaferhorton on Aug. 17, 2010,

Dr. M. Zuhdi Jasser, president and founder of the Phoenix-based American Islamic Forum for Democracy wants to clarify a few things for President Barack Obama about the fracas over the 13-story Muslim cultural center planned for construction a few blocks from Ground Zero.

Jassar, who calls himself a “devout Muslim,” released this statement this weekend:

As an American Muslim whose family fled persecution in Syria and as someone who has stood in the face of some resistance to the building of many of our houses of worship in the U.S., I fully understand the value of standing for religious freedom in America. But President Obama’s statement about the Ground Zero mosque at last night’s White House Iftar dinner is the latest example of political correctness gone awry.

Jassar goes on to say Obama has “fundamentally misunderstood the stakes in this discussion and the sentiments of the American people. Instead, you have focused on the very issue that the Islamist propagandists wish you to– the narrative that Americans somehow need lectures about Islam, Muslims, and religious freedom.”

More from Jassar’s open letter to Obama:

This isn’t about playing nice with the bully on the playground. This is about honoring the deaths of the thousands who lost their lives on 9/11 at the hands of Muslim radicals who would do the same act again without a moment’s hesitation and who believe the world will not be whole until everyone follows Islam the way they say Islam should be followed. It is, Jassar said, about what is right.

Mr. President this is not about religious freedom. It is about the importance of the World Trade Center site to the psyche of the American People. It is about a blatant attack on our sovereignty by people whose ideology ultimately demands the elimination of our way of life. While Imam Faisal Rauf may not share their violent tendencies he does seem to share a belief that Islamic structures are a political statement and even Ground Zero should be looked upon through the lens of political Islam and not a solely American one. … ‘Park 51’, ‘The Cordoba House’ or whatever they are calling it today should not be built, not because it is not their right to do it – but because it is not right to do it.” Mr. President, your involvement in this issue is divisive not uniting. Your follow-up stating that ‘you will not speak to the wisdom of the construction of that mosque and center’ indicates a passive-aggressive meddling on your part that only marginalizes those Muslim and non-Muslim voices against it while pretending to understand both sides of the debate.
Are the majority of Muslims terrorist lunatics? No; the majority are just regular people who want to live their lives and practice their religion the way they’d like. But according to an imam who used to live in Tucson, at least 1 million of the world’s 1 billion Muslims believe the garbage spouted by Al-Qaeda and the Taliban – that the U.S. and everyone in it is Satan and must be conquered by Islam. And you know what? That crazy one percent has the will and ability to slaughter anyone who disagrees with them and laugh about it afterwards.

As a Muslim desperate to reform his faith, your remarks take us backwards from the day that my faith will come into modernity. I do not stand to eliminate Imam Rauf’s religious freedom; I stand to make sure that my children’s religious freedom will be determined by the liberty guaranteed in the American Constitution and not by clerics or leaders who are apologists for shar’iah law and will tell me what religious freedom is.

this, from Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid, a general manager of a TV station based in Dubai:

… I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Because they aren't idiotic bigots that believe in the Constitution.

Why are so many on the Right that have stated Obama stomps on the Constitution also so quick to discriminate a group based on their religion?

Another Right wing group so quick to discriminate against a group based on their religion JD




Breitbart.tv Beck Forbidden to Pray at Kennedy Center Event

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

Another Right wing group so quick to discriminate against a group based on their religion JD




Breitbart.tv Beck Forbidden to Pray at Kennedy Center Event

Did they ask his religion before saying that he couldn't start his speech with an opening prayer? Unless the conversation was something like, "Oh, you're Mormon? Sorry, we don't allow your people to pray here," then I'm trying to understand your point.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Did they ask his religion before saying that he couldn't start his speech with an opening prayer? Unless the conversation was something like, "Oh, you're Mormon? Sorry, we don't allow your people to pray here," then I'm trying to understand your point.

his point is that in this case the Kennedy Center, which is essentially a government building(built and maintained with federal funds), tried to stop prayer....noone has suggested that the muslims don't have a Constitutional right right to build a mosque, to worship freely and to pray....the 1st Ammendment guarantees that "GOVERNMENT" may not establish a religeon nor prohibit the free exercise of and the 14th to some extent through equal protection, but these are limits on government...Government is not stopping the construction of the mosque nor are they stopping the free exercise of religeon in the Mosque case...in fact the local govt. is apparently in favor...it's the American People both locally and Nationwide that oppose the location for obvious reasons and they are perfectly within their rights to voice that opinion...if they'd chosen any other site there would not have been peep...the site was chosen to be provocative, ....in the Beck case it is indeed government that is/was "prohibiting the free exercise of"....

so we have the spectacle of Nazi Pelosi, who would like to USE the POWER of government to investigate those opposed to the mosque...we have SOME MEMBERS of the least tolerant religeon on the planet screaming demands for tolerance with straw man Constitutional protections and we have the overwhelming majority of Americans who simply want the builders to reconsider the location of the mosque now under attack from the radical left in this country led by a radical president and the power of government that they currently wield....very nice

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf after September 11, 2001:

"The United States and the West must acknowledge the harm they have done to Muslims before terrorism can end."