Same old story - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

What they do with those fish is their business.....

Nope, it's not. If they make 2 trips out/day and the capt/mate keep 2 fish per trip, they're exceeding their 2 fish/day limit and it now becomes every single person who fishes business.

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope, it's not. If they make 2 trips out/day and the capt/mate keep 2 fish per trip, they're exceeding their 2 fish/day limit and it now becomes every single person who fishes business.

Yup. That was my point.
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afterhours · 08-23-2010, 10:52 AM

broken record here - remove bounty and instant improvment will occur. or at very least cut all sides take by 1/2. talking to johnr the other day and he brought up an interesting point- if the stocks were to grow would there be enough forage fish to sustain them? we gotta work on them too.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope, it's not. If they make 2 trips out/day and the capt/mate keep 2 fish per trip, they're exceeding their 2 fish/day limit and it now becomes every single person who fishes business.

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

You absolutely sure about that slick?

"Daily creel limit" means the maximum number of a particular species or group of species a person may legally take in one (1) calendar day while fishing.

chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

I think its a "Bag limit", meaning each angler can take 2 fish per day, NOT take as many as wanted if you only possess two at a time (multiple trips per day).

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 10:54 AM

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I think its a "Bag limit", meaning each angler can take 2 fish per day, NOT take as many as wanted if you only possess two at a time (multiple trips per day).

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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Thats tantamount to saying: "you're not in violation unless you get caught".

JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 11:09 AM

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You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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There is really no way you can be this arrogant/ignorant. I must assume you are only trying get under peoples skin.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:13 AM

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There is really no way you can be this arrogant/ignorant. I must assume you are only trying get under peoples skin.

I know what's right or wrong... All I'm saying is that you will not get fined unless you have more than 2 fish in your posession. Why are all those guys running double triple trips???? I'll leave it at that....
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Nebe · 08-23-2010, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

I know what's right or wrong... All I'm saying is that you will not get fined unless you have more than 2 fish in your posession. Why are all those guys running double triple trips???? I'll leave it at that....
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I can steel all the gear off of your boat until I get caught as well.

A thief is a thief is a thief.

Anyone who keeps more than 2 fish is breaking the law. Weather or not they get caught is another story
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JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

I know what's right or wrong... All I'm saying is that you will not get fined unless you have more than 2 fish in your posession. Why are all those guys running double triple trips???? I'll leave it at that....
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Apparently you don't know what's legal or illegal. Basically you're saying that because you won't get fined, it's ok to do. That shoots right to the core of the issue many people have with commercial fishermen.

It may be a slim chance you get *caught and fined* unless you have more than 2 fish, but keeping more than 2 fish per day is illegal, at least according to MA law - plain and simple. Straight out of the MA EPO's mouth.

When money is involved people tend to forget how to count or have a selective interpretation of the law - this goes for all areas of commerce - that's why all those guys are running double and triple trip days.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:07 AM

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You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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Key word "Posess" In either case I cut down fro 2 to 1 fish and it will curb alot of the poaching, make it not worth it.. You will see a difference..
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Nebe · 08-23-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

I don't think so. 2 fish PER DAY is the limit.

To say someone is entitled to go out and take 2 fish, run in to port, ditch the fish, and run out again is patently and unquestionably breaking the law
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JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

Not that simple at all. Direct from a quick call to Mass EPO: "The possession limit is a daily limit. I know it might be confusing but if we caught someone in the act of transporting fish home, then going back out and keeping more, they can be prosecuted."

So again, those Captains and Mates that keep 2 fish per trip as opposed to per day, are breaking the law and part of the problem.

MakoMike · 08-24-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

Its not just a possession limit, the limit is two fish per day per angler anyone exceeding that is breaking the law.

Charter boats don't sell fish, they provide a fishing platform for recreational fishermen.

If you want to see the Recreational vs commercial kill just go to the ASMFC website.

Poachers suck, whether they sell their poached fish or eat them.

likwid · 08-24-2010, 06:13 PM

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Charter boats don't sell fish, they provide a fishing platform for recreational fishermen.

But as said before, its a commercial endeavor. You're being paid to put people on fish. They should not be included in the rec category.

JohnnyD · 08-24-2010, 08:47 PM

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But as said before, its a commercial endeavor. You're being paid to put people on fish. They should not be included in the rec category.

Bingo-bango!!

MakoMike · 08-25-2010, 11:55 AM

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But as said before, its a commercial endeavor. You're being paid to put people on fish. They should not be included in the rec category.

Sure its a commercial endeavor, but it is not commercial fishing, no more than your bait shop or fuel dock is commercial fishing.Their business depends on fish, but they are not selling fish.

JohnnyD · 08-25-2010, 01:08 PM

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Sure its a commercial endeavor, but it is not commercial fishing, no more than your bait shop or fuel dock is commercial fishing.Their business depends on fish, but they are not selling fish.

And the bait shops that have tackle and bait that focuses on striped bass will go out of business just as quickly as charters will when the bass disappear again.

Sea Dangles · 08-25-2010, 02:09 PM

The recs generally kill as much as they can,just to kill.
I have a neighbor who has a summer house in Plymouth.He and his family were walking the canal in the spring during a blitz of epic proportions.He was offered fish by people he didn't even know just so they could kill more.Wonderful right?

The comms kill a lot and are sneaky too.
I was in the Fischers Island area fishing last fall when I saw a boat overloaded with people. My host informed me he sees this gentleman frequently out in the area with a similar crew. He will literally take anybody near the dock fishing in order to get max fish per person on his boat. He went on to say he goes out a few times per day. Yeah it adds up.

There is no hope for the fishery.End of story.