Same old story - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

IT IS REALLY REALLY SIMPLE.... IN NO STATE DOES A CHARTER BOAT / HEAD BOATS CATCH COUNT TOWARDS ANY COMMERCIAL QUOTA!!! SECOND THEY ABIDE BY A RECREATIONAL LIMIT... They can go out 1,2,3 times a day and KILL their rec limits....

Oh right.. And that's why just about every charter boat out of point Judith that makes 2 trips a day is keeping 2 fish per the captian and mates??
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MAKAI · 08-23-2010, 09:25 AM

When I work a 12 hour shift mating on my friends boat on the weekend s. I don't feel I am " recreational fishing ".
(5am at boat prep, 6am departure 1.5 hr steam, 7 hours fishing, trip back, clean the catch, clean the boat, drive home between 5 and 6 pm)

I KNOW IT'S NOT CLASSICAL COMMERCIAL FISHING, NOR IS IT CLASSICAL RECREATIONAL FISHING, BUT IT IS A COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR REGARDING FISHING.

And if it takes a good size bite out of the pie.
It needs to have it's own accountability and designation.

That is all I am suggesting.

likwid · 08-23-2010, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MAKAI

BUT IT IS A COMMERCIAL ENDEAVOR REGARDING FISHING.

ding ding ding!
we have a winner!

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by likwid

ding ding ding!
we have a winner!

Not for the guys chartering the vessel... Just the captain and mate...

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe

Oh right.. And that's why just about every charter boat out of point Judith that makes 2 trips a day is keeping 2 fish per the captian and mates??
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What they do with those fish is their business..... Is it any different than just regular joe's running out 2-3 times a day keeping their limits? Black market is thriving, its pretty obvious. At least the Comm catch goes to a quota, the rec and charter guys have an unlimited quota!

JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 10:14 AM

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What they do with those fish is their business.....

Nope, it's not. If they make 2 trips out/day and the capt/mate keep 2 fish per trip, they're exceeding their 2 fish/day limit and it now becomes every single person who fishes business.

Nebe · 08-23-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope, it's not. If they make 2 trips out/day and the capt/mate keep 2 fish per trip, they're exceeding their 2 fish/day limit and it now becomes every single person who fishes business.

Yup. That was my point.
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afterhours · 08-23-2010, 10:52 AM

broken record here - remove bounty and instant improvment will occur. or at very least cut all sides take by 1/2. talking to johnr the other day and he brought up an interesting point- if the stocks were to grow would there be enough forage fish to sustain them? we gotta work on them too.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Nope, it's not. If they make 2 trips out/day and the capt/mate keep 2 fish per trip, they're exceeding their 2 fish/day limit and it now becomes every single person who fishes business.

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

You absolutely sure about that slick?

"Daily creel limit" means the maximum number of a particular species or group of species a person may legally take in one (1) calendar day while fishing.

chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

I think its a "Bag limit", meaning each angler can take 2 fish per day, NOT take as many as wanted if you only possess two at a time (multiple trips per day).

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 10:54 AM

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I think its a "Bag limit", meaning each angler can take 2 fish per day, NOT take as many as wanted if you only possess two at a time (multiple trips per day).

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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chrisjoe13 · 08-23-2010, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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Thats tantamount to saying: "you're not in violation unless you get caught".

JFigliuolo · 08-23-2010, 11:09 AM

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You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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There is really no way you can be this arrogant/ignorant. I must assume you are only trying get under peoples skin.

CowHunter · 08-23-2010, 11:07 AM

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You are not in violation unless you have more than two in posession!
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Key word "Posess" In either case I cut down fro 2 to 1 fish and it will curb alot of the poaching, make it not worth it.. You will see a difference..
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Nebe · 08-23-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

I don't think so. 2 fish PER DAY is the limit.

To say someone is entitled to go out and take 2 fish, run in to port, ditch the fish, and run out again is patently and unquestionably breaking the law
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JohnnyD · 08-23-2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

Not that simple at all. Direct from a quick call to Mass EPO: "The possession limit is a daily limit. I know it might be confusing but if we caught someone in the act of transporting fish home, then going back out and keeping more, they can be prosecuted."

So again, those Captains and Mates that keep 2 fish per trip as opposed to per day, are breaking the law and part of the problem.

MakoMike · 08-24-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CowHunter

Its a possesion Limit!!!! You cannot have in possesion more than 2 striped bass per angler! That simple...

Its not just a possession limit, the limit is two fish per day per angler anyone exceeding that is breaking the law.

Charter boats don't sell fish, they provide a fishing platform for recreational fishermen.

If you want to see the Recreational vs commercial kill just go to the ASMFC website.

Poachers suck, whether they sell their poached fish or eat them.

likwid · 08-24-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Charter boats don't sell fish, they provide a fishing platform for recreational fishermen.

But as said before, its a commercial endeavor. You're being paid to put people on fish. They should not be included in the rec category.

JohnnyD · 08-24-2010, 08:47 PM

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But as said before, its a commercial endeavor. You're being paid to put people on fish. They should not be included in the rec category.

Bingo-bango!!

MakoMike · 08-25-2010, 11:55 AM

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But as said before, its a commercial endeavor. You're being paid to put people on fish. They should not be included in the rec category.

Sure its a commercial endeavor, but it is not commercial fishing, no more than your bait shop or fuel dock is commercial fishing.Their business depends on fish, but they are not selling fish.