81lb Bass?

[CowHunter]

I am willing to bet that the field and stream article was done over the phone. Who took the pics???? Just look at the article, they have GM with what 4-5 different outfits. Im sorry, but no way is a 49-50 inch fish going to be 81.88lbs, if it was it would be wide all the way like a tuna, solid not like that. I spoke with Jim Fee yesterday while he was on the way down to see the fish and havent heard from him since. Why all the quietness. I just dont understand why create controversey? WHO SAW The fish? Leave the fish at a legit tackle shop for a day, Let whoever wants to inspect the fish, rewiegh on a certified scale, do length to girth measurements. Dispell all rumors! Why create problems for yourself? Alot of guys on this board sell fish, Ive had hundreds of pounds of fish with little or no ice for hours in mid summer off gayhead / nomans during the day and they dont look like some of his fish. Why do all the pics of fish look worse than any fish Ive seen in a supermarket??? If he never wanted the publicity then why even wiegh the fish in???
I wish I submitted this 65" fish I got mounted, i just didnt want the publicity...

[westhavendave]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I am willing to bet that the field and stream article was done over the phone. Who took the pics???? Just look at the article, they have GM with what 4-5 different outfits. Im sorry, but no way is a 49-50 inch fish going to be 81.88lbs, if it was it would be wide all the way like a tuna, solid not like that. I spoke with Jim Fee yesterday while he was on the way down to see the fish and havent heard from him since. Why all the quietness. I just dont understand why create controversey? WHO SAW The fish? Leave the fish at a legit tackle shop for a day, Let whoever wants to inspect the fish, rewiegh on a certified scale, do length to girth measurements. Dispell all rumors! Why create problems for yourself? Alot of guys on this board sell fish, Ive had hundreds of pounds of fish with little or no ice for hours in mid summer off gayhead / nomans during the day and they dont look like some of his fish. Why do all the pics of fish look worse than any fish Ive seen in a supermarket??? If he never wanted the publicity then why even wiegh the fish in???
I wish I submitted this 65" fish I got mounted, i just didnt want the publicity...

If you are not joking, you are seriously delusional. I don't think Field and Stream would put the magazines reputation on the line by not vetting the veracity of the anglers claim, before they did the article. Go kill some more bass.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

If you are not joking, you are seriously delusional. I don't think Field and Stream would put the magazines reputation on the line by not vetting the veracity of the anglers claim, before they did the article. Go kill some more bass.

I did an article for field and stream this year, they wrote what I said...

I, nor a single person I know would even think of questioning Pete Vican's state record 77LBer. The man did it legit 100 percent like anybody I spoke with did. Yes we all wish we caught a slob like that and every single person I know was happy for him.
Guess speaking with good friends that fish the same water as GM have seen his previous fish just adds to suspicion... Why all the controversy on GM??? Every Single person I spoke with thinks this is BS...

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I am willing to bet that the field and stream article was done over the phone. Who took the pics???? Just look at the article, they have GM with what 4-5 different outfits. Im sorry, but no way is a 49-50 inch fish going to be 81.88lbs, if it was it would be wide all the way like a tuna, solid not like that. I spoke with Jim Fee yesterday while he was on the way down to see the fish and havent heard from him since. Why all the quietness. I just dont understand why create controversey? WHO SAW The fish? Leave the fish at a legit tackle shop for a day, Let whoever wants to inspect the fish, rewiegh on a certified scale, do length to girth measurements. Dispell all rumors! Why create problems for yourself? Alot of guys on this board sell fish, Ive had hundreds of pounds of fish with little or no ice for hours in mid summer off gayhead / nomans during the day and they dont look like some of his fish. Why do all the pics of fish look worse than any fish Ive seen in a supermarket??? If he never wanted the publicity then why even wiegh the fish in???
I wish I submitted this 65" fish I got mounted, i just didnt want the publicity...

Originally Posted by CowHunter

I did an article for field and stream this year, they wrote what I said...

I, nor a single person I know would even think of questioning Pete Vican's state record 77LBer. The man did it legit 100 percent like anybody I spoke with did. Yes we all wish we caught a slob like that and every single person I know was happy for him.
Guess speaking with good friends that fish the same water as GM have seen his previous fish just adds to suspicion... Why all the controversy on GM??? Every Single person I spoke with thinks this is BS...

Do you think it is BS also?

Nice catch there on that fish.

not everybody is a pro
and also not everyone takes photos that make fish look large

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Do you think it is BS also?

Nice catch there on that fish.

not everybody is a pro
and also not everyone takes photos that make fish look large

After seeing the pics on FS I dont believe it for a sec. Im entitled to my opinion and that fish is a big fish, 50-55lbs tops.... Ill give that. EVERYBODY I know who consistantly catch big fish dont believe it. We all want the record to be broken, would be awesome to see! There is no need for photagraphy tricks, etc... There are pictures on FS where the fish is laid out or held against the body where I say no way.... Most guys I know throw a fish on the deck and can guess the wieght, coming within a pound or of the actual wieght. Im guessing alot of guys who thing this fish is 81lbs have not seen many bass and never a 40, 50 or 60 for that matter. Agian just my opinion...

Remember all the controversey on the WR Fluke?? Look, I had friends that saw AL Mcreynolds fish, it was laid out at the tackle shop for all to see... There was no question the size of that fish, none.. Nobody wants to see legitamate record holders cheated, I think thats what most feel....


I guess I am also privy to more info which I cannot post on here... Look back at the posts and look who was the first to say that it was Greg Meyerson?

His actions have not been normal at all through this whole thing and I bet nobody here would have acted the same...

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

After seeing the pics on FS I dont believe it for a sec. Im entitled to my opinion and that fish is a big fish, 50-55lbs tops.... Ill give that. EVERYBODY I know who consistantly catch big fish dont believe it. We all want the record to be broken, would be awesome to see! There is no need for photagraphy tricks, etc... There are pictures on FS where the fish is laid out or held against the body where I say no way.... Most guys I know throw a fish on the deck and can guess the wieght, coming within a pound or of the actual wieght. Im guessing alot of guys who thing this fish is 81lbs have not seen many bass and never a 40, 50 or 60 for that matter. Agian just my opinion...

Remember all the controversey on the WR Fluke?? Look, I had friends that saw AL Mcreynolds fish, it was laid out at the tackle shop for all to see... There was no question the size of that fish, none.. Nobody wants to see legitamate record holders cheated, I think thats what most feel....


I guess I am also privy to more info which I cannot post on here... Look back at the posts and look who was the first to say that it was Greg Meyerson?

His actions have not been normal at all through this whole thing and I bet nobody here would have acted the same...

I hope you realize that by these accusations, you're also accusing Jack Katzenbach, the owner of the weigh station, with being in cahoots with this guy in perpetrating this hoax, and possibly for attesting to all of his "questionable" fish. You're saying none of his fish, for which weigh slips were submitted in a major tournament, are legit, so you're saying that one or more weighmasters are committing fraud in cahoots with a cheating angler.

Those are pretty strong accusations, Kenny. I hope for your sake, and the sake of your reputation in the angling world, you're in a position to back them up with proof.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I hope you realize that by these accusations, you're also accusing Jack Katzenbach, the owner of the weigh station, with being in cahoots with this guy in perpetrating this hoax, and possibly for attesting to all of his "questionable" fish. You're saying none of his fish, for which weigh slips were submitted in a major tournament, are legit, so you're saying that one or more weighmasters are committing fraud in cahoots with a cheating angler.

Those are pretty strong accusations, Kenny. I hope for your sake, and the sake of your reputation in the angling world, you're in a position to back them up with proof.

I caught enough fish to know bs, Yeah never a 70 or 80, but that aint 80, ill bet my life on it common, are we insane here!!!!!!! you seriously believe it? I was out to dinner with my buddy who's 8 -11 year old kids that caught 40's looked at that fish and said it was bull#^&#^&#^&#^&... feel free to call me Mike 201 412-5783.. I dont have to hide behind the computer, he fed up by submitting those pics to FS it doesnt add up.. 49-50 inch no girth, no shoulders and its 81.88!!! 80 percent of the people on the barn are calling it BS, 100 percent of my friends are...

[Raider Ronnie]

It amazes me how catches of big fish can bring out the worst in people.
I've see it 1st hand by a few on this board who take the OTW striper cup way too serious, for what ? a stupid pin or a cup with bragging rights to say I'm better that you, who the #^&#^&#^&#^& cares..

[rizzo]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I hope you realize that by these accusations, you're also accusing Jack Katzenbach, the owner of the weigh station, with being in cahoots with this guy in perpetrating this hoax, and possibly for attesting to all of his "questionable" fish. You're saying none of his fish, for which weigh slips were submitted in a major tournament, are legit, so you're saying that one or more weighmasters are committing fraud in cahoots with a cheating angler.

Those are pretty strong accusations, Kenny. I hope for your sake, and the sake of your reputation in the angling world, you're in a position to back them up with proof.

People regularly cheat in tournaments!!! Hows the weighmaster going to know if the fish has been stuffed or not unless they rip the fish apart. I wouldnt if I owned a tackleshop, as you have money to make. However, if your scale is certified, you get a reading and fill out the affidavit. From the weighmaster's point of view, what are you gonna do even if you suspect cheating?

You can't take the OTW tournament too seriously as it is a fish stuffers dream. Bring your fish in to a local tackle shop with a clueless employee and you can turn a 50" 38 pounder into a 50 lber pretty easily. We had threads last year about this. Good guys being accused of stuffing, cheated, blah blah. Lie detectors came up, but theyre not 100% dead on. I just like to see things straight up across the board and it gets old hearing about so and so cheating, when they really arent. A few bad ruins it for all. You can have your 10k prize.

In this case we're talking world record status, so I hope if the state of CT certifies it as a record, igfa or whoever, a state bioligist looks at it to confirm theres no tampering. I hope for greg's sake they are already undergoing these investigations to clear up the accusations of cheating. Theres no reason why this can't be accurately documented. IF the fish is not inspected there is not much credibility plain and simple. Really anyone could go in with a 50" fish (easy to come by) and get fancy stuffing it to make it the record - I'd like to see some proof to make this a little more credible.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by CowHunter

Ive had hundreds of pounds of fish with little or no ice for hours in mid summer off gayhead / nomans during the day

glad I don't buy bass

[rizzo]

This is the America of today, people believe everything written in magazines and on the internet. Theres discussion how this fish is a super giant, torpedo head, offshore super breed and its only 49"? Oh 54" in the article? Who are you gonna believe? Its all over the top. Oh the guy caught multiple 60s, okay. There was incidents last year about his catches too. With all this going on, he finally had his chance to set everything straight, in person with that fish. Its not about jealousy, its verifying and documenting the catch. In the year 2011 we should be able to better on keeping track of it all.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

glad I don't buy bass

I comm fished in mexico where we spent all day out baking in the sun and through fish on the deck where they sat in that hot sun all day and the fish looked better. How many people fished in the caribean? they ice the fish? they troll em and box em and then we eat cerviche later... Those fish in the markets, especially those from the south are several days or weeks old but we buy em and eat em...

[Stripersurg]

There will always be skeptics in this world, that's just the way it is. Like others have said, the man has a track record of catching fish, some very big ones as well, this isn't his first Rodeo.
As to why he didn't do certain things a certain way, that's irrelevant.
We need to give our fellow fisherman support, and a pat on the back, for achieving what the vast majority of us will never be able to do.
If, and it's a big IF, something was to come of this catch that isn't legal, or suspicious, it will all come out eventually.
For now, though, my hat's off to the guy.

[rizzo]

So did anyone else notice in the field and stream photo gallery - Pic of fish that Ken posted here showing it is 49" with the tape laid flat on the ground. Another picture on field and stream showing the tape at 54" on the tail - showing the tail only. So the measurement is clearly wrong by 5"!!!!