Circle Hook / YoYo Rig Comment Period and Hearings

[riff_raff]

On my own boat, when we had a 23.75 inch cod, that the enviro said was "MORE LIKE 23!", as the boat owner I got a written warning for "POSSESSION OF COD".. "< 24 inches" (classic)..

In other words, the boat owner takes the wrap, they didn't ask who's fish it was, it just went on me. Same as it probably does on a commercial boat or charter. Back to Stripers..

There are plenty of private boat fisherman out there killing as many as they can, it's not something limited to a charter or commercial boat.

Actually, the worst class of fisherman to the striper is probably the expert catch and release fly-fisherman that hooks 50 fish a day. They probably kill more fish per trip than an entire 6 pack charter that limits out. At least on the charter boat they target big fish, catching very few shorts, then usually call it a day once the limit is reached.

The thing about the license for charter boats is just to deal with ignorance. They provided a boat license so the charter captain doesn't have to orchestrate his fares buying their own license. I've never looked into it, but it might be possible for anybody to get one (though it costs a lot more).

I'm OK with that, most likely if you are chartering a boat you are a novice at best; it's hard enough making sure the experienced guys get the license before your first trip out.

There's no sense to designating the charter boats by themselves; again, they are just taxis that come with a tour guide. The recreational angler is the one doing the fishing.

Jon

[likwid]

Originally Posted by riff_raff

On my own boat, when we had a 23.75 inch cod, that the enviro said was "MORE LIKE 23!", as the boat owner I got a written warning for "POSSESSION OF COD".. "< 24 inches" (classic)..

Boat owner is responsible.

And correct me if I'm wrong, a 23.75" fish is smaller than 24".

Maybe my maths are bad and all, but I'm pretty sure!

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by likwid

Boat owner is responsible.

And correct me if I'm wrong, a 23.75" fish is smaller than 24".

Maybe my maths are bad and all, but I'm pretty sure!

Damn those EPs for enforcing a clearly defined regulation. Sounds like the EP was as reasonable as he could be. Certainly could have dished out a fine if he felt so inclined.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by riff_raff

Actually, the worst class of fisherman to the striper is probably the expert catch and release fly-fisherman that hooks 50 fish a day. They probably kill more fish per trip than an entire 6 pack charter that limits out. At least on the charter boat they target big fish, catching very few shorts, then usually call it a day once the limit is reached.

Ugh.

A C&R flyfisherman probably kills about 2% of what he hooks (an accepted number for barbless single hooks and small fish).
Even if he killed the standard CR number of 12% (which he doesn't) he would kill 6 fish in your scenario....which is 1/2 what the 6 pack charter kills taking their limit (not counting the 4 extra fish kept under the mate and captain's allowance and another 12% of what they release).

Also, charter boats do not call it a day after the limit is reached, they fish out the alloted hours. Then there is the issue that killing big (female) fish damages the breeding population much more than killing small fish. Furthermore, the charter boat does this day after day after day.....the average recreational fisherman fishes many less hours a season.

If you want to argue that charter boat kill is recreational kill, fine. There is no need, however, to propagate clueless exaggerated myths about the impact of C&R fishing.

[toaster816]

Originally Posted by riff_raff

On my own boat, when we had a 23.75 inch cod, that the enviro said was "MORE LIKE 23!", as the boat owner I got a written warning for "POSSESSION OF COD".. "< 24 inches" (classic)..

In other words, the boat owner takes the wrap, they didn't ask who's fish it was, it just went on me. Same as it probably does on a commercial boat or charter. Back to Stripers..

There are plenty of private boat fisherman out there killing as many as they can, it's not something limited to a charter or commercial boat.

Actually, the worst class of fisherman to the striper is probably the expert catch and release fly-fisherman that hooks 50 fish a day. They probably kill more fish per trip than an entire 6 pack charter that limits out. At least on the charter boat they target big fish, catching very few shorts, then usually call it a day once the limit is reached.

The thing about the license for charter boats is just to deal with ignorance. They provided a boat license so the charter captain doesn't have to orchestrate his fares buying their own license. I've never looked into it, but it might be possible for anybody to get one (though it costs a lot more).

I'm OK with that, most likely if you are chartering a boat you are a novice at best; it's hard enough making sure the experienced guys get the license before your first trip out.

There's no sense to designating the charter boats by themselves; again, they are just taxis that come with a tour guide. The recreational angler is the one doing the fishing.

Jon

You kept a short fish, you got written up, what did you expect? 24" means 24". That is actually awesome to hear he or she didn't let it go.

OVER THE LINE!!

This isn't 'Nam Smokey this is bowling, there are rules.

[trapperpierre]

smart ass taking a few lines out of contexts....haha.........

A day of trolling or light line so called catch and release kills many more fish than any other striper fishing method in current use......the handful of fish found with gear injested is nothing compared to the numerous dead stripers observed with ripped open mouths -some with treble hooked plugs jamed in their dead or maws--results of light line breakage....."oh look at that fish swim away---yea to become crab food......again, to operate-to develope regulations- on so called common sense---is a tool being used by the recs(the real ones destroying the striped bass fishery by the massive numbers of them pounding the bass to death)....is foolish--to take the heat , focus off the rec group that is killing and maiming the vast majority of striped bass

One needs a dedicated study before changes be made....when emotion charged & legislators take up the task of fish/wildlife management --the ones that utilize the fishery will suffer in the end..

Regulations Guised as a deception to get the heat off the Rec/charter commercials......."Oh we are the good guys"

Oh yea, who put the Division up to exploring said proposed regulations...none other than members of various rec groups willing to go to any method to covet/steal all the fish for their own pleasure

A dangerous precedent is being marketed here......

I'm FOR ALL REGULATIONS BE BASED ON SOUND SCIENTIFIC STUDIES OF MERIT WHICH ARE POSSIBLE...NOT FOR REGULATIONS BASED ON A SELECT GROUPS DESIRING CONTROL OF A FISHERIES RESOURCE............THESE TAKE TIME AND PROCEEDURE.....show me the conphrehensive data.............not a handful of incidents.....

Banning Catch & Release with light tackle---or fished dragged on heavy trolling tackle behind Charters Boats KILL many many more striped bass.........than a couple of sinkers or J hooks........

[trapperpierre]

..There are various levels of lead and other heavy metals in many foods either store bought or harvested in the wild.......might as well ban many foods on this suppostion......in fact, many food scientists believe the accepted levels of metals and other "good stuff" in foods are to high.....SHOW a substancial testing to substanciate high levels of lead in striped bass. Most likely more lead in ones Thanksgiving turkey....

With all that is discused here .....one can tethered the sinker to the hook-to prevent loss....da

The "Maine" point in contention here is the method of attempting to gain unjustafied control of a natural resource by one user group

The main thrust of coversive action is the methodolgy of the so called "Self Proclaimed Striper Savers"........that will use any method feasible---including infiltrating mangement to foster "their cause"---cause being a total take over of the wonderful striped bass-currently an established tradition MULTIPLE USE RESOURCE..

....granted many established channels of proceedures are being followed..............HOWEVER....in the case of the sinker....NOT ENOUGH HARD Scientific DATA ON RECORD

WE ALL UTILIZE THE STRIPED BASS RESOURCE....dead or alive

[likwid]

We get it, you yoyo and hate circle hooks and you're gonna spew till you die against the ban.

You're the minority.

Taking a short fish is poaching, how does it feel to publicly admit you're a poacher?

[trapperpierre]

..Hey Dummy......riff raff mentioned a short cod....da.....using lobsters to bait stripers(probably undersized & illegally procured) is poaching.............the Real poachers are all you clowns that want to steal all the striped bassfor your personal use....---using method of take to eliminate other users groups...da......da...circle hooks have their time & place for usage-however the J hook is needed in certain fishing applications.........MULTIPLE USE ACCESS TO THE STRIPED BASS FISHERY is a honorable use of the resource.....

OH I get it ..your one of those "Foreva guys".....that want to control the striped bass...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by trapperpierre

..Hey Dummy......riff raff mentioned a short cod....da.....using lobsters to bait stripers(probably undersized & illegally procured) is poaching.............the Real poachers are all you clowns that want to steal all the striped bassfor your personal use....---using method of take to eliminate other users groups...da......da...circle hooks have their time & place for usage-however the J hook is needed in certain fishing applications.........MULTIPLE USE ACCESS TO THE STRIPED BASS FISHERY is a honorable use of the resource.....

OH I get it ..your one of those "Foreva guys".....that want to control the striped bass...

This is like being a commercial logger down in the rain forests and telling the locals "you just want all these trees for yourselves. Multiple use to the trees is honorable. Now stop preventing us from cutting them all down."

Also, I'm not sure if you understand what "poacher" actually means.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by trapperpierre

using lobsters to bait stripers(probably undersized & illegally procured) is poaching

IT TOTALLY IS! CALL THE FISHCOPS!
Hold on, a green truck just went by, I'll go flag him down.

All my lobsters are procured with a lobster call. I'm a professional lobster caller, I'm hired to herd them. You have never heard a lobster call like my lobster call.

the Real poachers are all you clowns that want to steal all the striped bassfor your personal use

i use them for friends. squishy slimy scaly friends.
and call them george