Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA

[piemma]

Sorry Tagger. I forgot you.

...and to the Dad Fisherman. I don't want to start a flame war but your attitude is part of the problem. You may think you will be here in 20 years and the same thing will be discussed but you are wrong. If things keep going the way they are now, there will be no Stripers in 20 years. I'm pretty sure I'll be dead (84?, No way) but you will be fishing for Scup.

Wake up and realize no one is saying don't keep a fish for the table. You are missing the whole point. What we are saying is the 2, 28" is just plain wrong. A commercial season ANYWHERE is just plain wrong. Non-gamefish status for stripers is just plain wrong.

Now, go out and kill your 2 28" fish and don't bitch when there aren't anymore.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by piemma

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...and to the Dad Fisherman. I don't want to start a flame war but your attitude is part of the problem.

Now, go out and kill your 2 28" fish and don't bitch when there aren't anymore. .

didn't you just post more pictures of big dead bass than anyone else in the 2011 Fishy Photos Thread?...shoudn't we all start with ourselves????

[piemma]

Originally Posted by scottw

didn't you just post more pictures of big dead bass than anyone else in the 2011 Fishy Photos Thread?...shoudn't we all start with ourselves????

I believe I posted 6 fish. Those were taken by my nephews at different times during the season. Personally, I didn't kill a bass last year.

You are also missing the point. I didn't say we shouldn't take bass. I said 2, 28" is wrong. I've done this for 45 years or so and I have never kept 2 fish in a day and I never kill anything under 34". Have I caught and killed my share of big fish? Yep.

The point of the whole dissertation is that the Striper should be a game fish. EVERYWHERE!!!

That would put an end to the wholesale slaughter taking place in NC, SC, VA etc.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by piemma

I believe I posted 6 fish. Those were taken by my nephews at different times during the season. Personally, I didn't kill a bass last year.

if you hooked up with bass, you killed bass...check the numbers on mortality of released fish....


you seem very passionate, maybe release those fish and post pictures of you and your nephews releasing the fish and set a good example for you nephews...and others ...it would be more in line with the rhetoric

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

if you hooked up with bass, you killed bass...check the numbers on mortality of released fish....


you seem very passionate, maybe release those fish and post pictures of you and your nephews releasing the fish and set a good example for you nephews...and others ...it would be more in line with the rhetoric

If there's any rhetoric here it's that responsibility as a rec is to keep what you can eat...rather than keeping fish simply because you want to impress somebody else or perhaps your self. And that the commercial harvest isn't sustainable under most circumstances.

For another fisherman to play the "all fishing is killing" card a on a fishing website is patently hypocritical...it shows you're just trying to provoke somebody with a hell of a lot more fishing wisdom than you in an otherwise serious thread...perhaps it's just placing a spotlight on your lack of maturity.

As someone who appears to regard themselves as a "conservative" I would have wagered you'd place more value in the tried and true experience of those before them.

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by spence

For another fisherman to play the "all fishing is killing" card a on a fishing website is patently hypocritical...it shows you're just trying to provoke somebody with a hell of a lot more fishing wisdom than you in an otherwise serious thread...perhaps it's just placing a spotlight on your lack of maturity.

-spence

I think he just forgot that we aren't in the Political Forum.

[Raider Ronnie]

I didn't realize we had so many members of Stripers Forever on this board

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

I didn't realize we had so many members of Stripers Forever on this board

I think it is more that you have some guys that know what is happening and don't want to see it go down that way... again.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

For another fisherman to play the "all fishing is killing" card a on a fishing website is patently hypocritical...it shows you're just trying to provoke somebody with a hell of a lot more fishing wisdom than you in an otherwise serious thread...perhaps it's just placing a spotlight on your lack of maturity.

Spence

what's the matter...bored Spence?


I'm hardly an "all fishing is killing type"...I love grilled bass....to fish all season long and claim you didn't personally kill any stripers hardly exhibits fishing wisdom, posting pictures of big dead stripers on one thread and then whining on and on on another thread about the decline of the stripers is....... well.....and then blaming it on the little kids??? and your take on this definitely demonstrates your own lack of maturity....love you too

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

I'm hardly an "all fishing is killing type"...I love grilled bass....to fish all season long and claim you didn't personally kill any stripers hardly exhibits fishing wisdom, posting pictures of big dead stripers on one thread and then whining on and on on another thread about the decline of the stripers is....... well.....and then blaming it on the little kids??? and your take on this definitely demonstrates your own lack of maturity....love you too

Blame it on the little kids? I see you can't help it...

-spence

[The Dad Fisherman]

I think you are completely missing my point...I even said i was OK for 1 at 36....

my point is that nothing is ever going to change until everybody stops pointing fingers and starts to work together....only way anything will be done.

as seen here...people have been biatching about this issue for years and nothing ever changes.

I don't know where you got the "Go Kill your 2 at 28" from...because that certainly isn't me

Originally Posted by piemma

Sorry Tagger. I forgot you.

...and to the Dad Fisherman. I don't want to start a flame war but your attitude is part of the problem. You may think you will be here in 20 years and the same thing will be discussed but you are wrong. If things keep going the way they are now, there will be no Stripers in 20 years. I'm pretty sure I'll be dead (84?, No way) but you will be fishing for Scup.

Wake up and realize no one is saying don't keep a fish for the table. You are missing the whole point. What we are saying is the 2, 28" is just plain wrong. A commercial season ANYWHERE is just plain wrong. Non-gamefish status for stripers is just plain wrong.

Now, go out and kill your 2 28" fish and don't bitch when there aren't anymore.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

my point is that nothing is ever going to change until everybody stops pointing fingers and starts to work together....only way anything will be done.

and try to be consistent....you can't lecture the kids that we're on the verge or another moratorium as you are stacking cows in the cooler....well maybe you can

[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

my point is that nothing is ever going to change until everybody stops pointing fingers and starts to work together....only way anything will be done.

I've read this sentiment from more than a few in this thread and just wanted to point out that it is totally unrealistic to hope you are going to come to some sort of consensus on here, and then make headway as a group. The only way to bring about change is to find a group or groups that are already like minded and involved, or to simply move ahead on your own (maybe with a few like minded friends) and call and write your State Rep, Congressman, or Senator, and lobby as best you can for your beliefs. Trying to get a consensus here is just waste of time.