Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA

[Alhbg]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

You can't have both.
Gamefish status will mean Zero take
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

If Zero Take keeps the stocks healthy, I'd gladly support it.

For those of you who didn't fish during the last crash, let me provide some perspective.

The guy that got me into striper fishing in the late 70s was a long-time shore fisherman. He entered a tournament in the late 70s along with about 1000 others. There was no prize awarded for third place because only two fish were caught.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Alhbg

If Zero Take keeps the stocks healthy, I'd gladly support it.

For those of you who didn't fish during the last crash, let me provide some perspective.

The guy that got me into striper fishing in the late 70s was a long-time shore fisherman. He entered a tournament in the late 70s along with about 1000 others. There was no prize awarded for third place because only two fish were caught.

Myself, Clammer, DZ, Afterhours, Stripermaniac and some of the other "antiques" on this board have been preaching this scenario for 5 or 6 years. No one in a position to do anything wants to listen.

[DZ]

Originally Posted by piemma

Myself, Clammer, DZ, Afterhours, Stripermaniac and some of the other "antiques" on this board have been preaching this scenario for 5 or 6 years. No one in a position to do anything wants to listen.

Interesting to note that some of the biggest obstacles to getting anything done during the last crash was not only traditional commercial interests - but Rod & Reel quasi commercials who right until the end claimed there was not a problem.

DZ

[MikeToole]

Originally Posted by piemma

Myself, Clammer, DZ, Afterhours, Stripermaniac and some of the other "antiques" on this board have been preaching this scenario for 5 or 6 years. No one in a position to do anything wants to listen.

If you go to any of the striper web sites there all like this one. Some think everything is fine with the stripers and others see the stocks heading towards a crash. The same holds true for just about all of the fishing clubs. None of these groups can come to a consensus on the topic so nothing happens. This makes it easy for ASMFC to continue along their present path.

There is only one well know group out there that is focused on reducing the catch and that is Stripers Forever. They may have their faults but at least they are working on the issue. SF also understands that there is little chance of ASMFC doing anything until the problem is so bad there is no other answer. Need to focus on this through your state representatives so that they put pressure on their ASMFC reps and pass laws to protect the fish. Even if new laws do not get passed they still send a message so something might be done before one of these laws does make it through.

So in my opinion if your really concerned join SF and support them. Then write letters to your reps.

[Tagger]

Originally Posted by piemma

Myself, Clammer, DZ, Afterhours, Stripermaniac and some of the other "antiques" on this board have been preaching this scenario for 5 or 6 years. No one in a position to do anything wants to listen.

add me to that list ,, That's why I mostly fish the funnel (canal ).. better odds than beach fishing . I fished through the last crash too . Watched it thrive through c&r ,, watched it decline again ..

[piemma]

Sorry Tagger. I forgot you.

...and to the Dad Fisherman. I don't want to start a flame war but your attitude is part of the problem. You may think you will be here in 20 years and the same thing will be discussed but you are wrong. If things keep going the way they are now, there will be no Stripers in 20 years. I'm pretty sure I'll be dead (84?, No way) but you will be fishing for Scup.

Wake up and realize no one is saying don't keep a fish for the table. You are missing the whole point. What we are saying is the 2, 28" is just plain wrong. A commercial season ANYWHERE is just plain wrong. Non-gamefish status for stripers is just plain wrong.

Now, go out and kill your 2 28" fish and don't bitch when there aren't anymore.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by piemma

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...and to the Dad Fisherman. I don't want to start a flame war but your attitude is part of the problem.

Now, go out and kill your 2 28" fish and don't bitch when there aren't anymore. .

didn't you just post more pictures of big dead bass than anyone else in the 2011 Fishy Photos Thread?...shoudn't we all start with ourselves????

[piemma]

Originally Posted by scottw

didn't you just post more pictures of big dead bass than anyone else in the 2011 Fishy Photos Thread?...shoudn't we all start with ourselves????

I believe I posted 6 fish. Those were taken by my nephews at different times during the season. Personally, I didn't kill a bass last year.

You are also missing the point. I didn't say we shouldn't take bass. I said 2, 28" is wrong. I've done this for 45 years or so and I have never kept 2 fish in a day and I never kill anything under 34". Have I caught and killed my share of big fish? Yep.

The point of the whole dissertation is that the Striper should be a game fish. EVERYWHERE!!!

That would put an end to the wholesale slaughter taking place in NC, SC, VA etc.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by piemma

I believe I posted 6 fish. Those were taken by my nephews at different times during the season. Personally, I didn't kill a bass last year.

if you hooked up with bass, you killed bass...check the numbers on mortality of released fish....


you seem very passionate, maybe release those fish and post pictures of you and your nephews releasing the fish and set a good example for you nephews...and others ...it would be more in line with the rhetoric

[The Dad Fisherman]

I think you are completely missing my point...I even said i was OK for 1 at 36....

my point is that nothing is ever going to change until everybody stops pointing fingers and starts to work together....only way anything will be done.

as seen here...people have been biatching about this issue for years and nothing ever changes.

I don't know where you got the "Go Kill your 2 at 28" from...because that certainly isn't me

Originally Posted by piemma

Sorry Tagger. I forgot you.

...and to the Dad Fisherman. I don't want to start a flame war but your attitude is part of the problem. You may think you will be here in 20 years and the same thing will be discussed but you are wrong. If things keep going the way they are now, there will be no Stripers in 20 years. I'm pretty sure I'll be dead (84?, No way) but you will be fishing for Scup.

Wake up and realize no one is saying don't keep a fish for the table. You are missing the whole point. What we are saying is the 2, 28" is just plain wrong. A commercial season ANYWHERE is just plain wrong. Non-gamefish status for stripers is just plain wrong.

Now, go out and kill your 2 28" fish and don't bitch when there aren't anymore.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

my point is that nothing is ever going to change until everybody stops pointing fingers and starts to work together....only way anything will be done.

and try to be consistent....you can't lecture the kids that we're on the verge or another moratorium as you are stacking cows in the cooler....well maybe you can

[Chunkah]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

my point is that nothing is ever going to change until everybody stops pointing fingers and starts to work together....only way anything will be done.

I've read this sentiment from more than a few in this thread and just wanted to point out that it is totally unrealistic to hope you are going to come to some sort of consensus on here, and then make headway as a group. The only way to bring about change is to find a group or groups that are already like minded and involved, or to simply move ahead on your own (maybe with a few like minded friends) and call and write your State Rep, Congressman, or Senator, and lobby as best you can for your beliefs. Trying to get a consensus here is just waste of time.