Trayvon / Media

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

WOW ! interesting read. I think all Zims lawyers need to do is read that out loud and he would be acquited.

He's a good guy! He just has had a couple restraining orders along with calls of domestic violence, no worries!

Also make sure to put this part of the 911 call on repeat:
"These #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

Aquit!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

He's a good guy! He just has had a couple restraining orders along with calls of domestic violence, no worries!

Also make sure to put this part of the 911 call on repeat:
"These #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

Aquit!

The dead kid was no choir boy, either.

Not sure if that matters...

You weren't there, neither was I. It's no crime (though bad judgment) to refuse to obey a dispatcher. It's going to be a very tough case to prosecute.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The dead kid was no choir boy, either.

Not sure if that matters...

You weren't there, neither was I. It's no crime (though bad judgment) to refuse to obey a dispatcher. It's going to be a very tough case to prosecute.

The 911 call will pretty much paint him as a vigilante out to shoot someone.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

The 911 call will pretty much paint him as a vigilante out to shoot someone.

really?
here is the full transcript. Not media talking points. please tell me which parts paint him as a vigilante? He sounds controlled and polite to the 911 operator. he tells them exactly where he is and exactly where the police should meet him. Would a murderer do that? He is noticably shaken when he provides his address because he realizes that that potential thief (in his state of mind) might over hear. The jury will hear fear in this, not aggression.
He twice make derogratory remarks about thieves - not trayvon, thieves. 99.99% of people believe thieves are punks, a-holes, etc. The jury will relate.
The 911 dispatcher says- We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Sounds like the dispatcher is on Zimmermans side! On the wire! He is approving Zimmermans actions!
And for the grand finale - the 911 operator says - "we dont need you to do that" when Zim is following. That wasnt an order, that was a comment. They didnt tell him not to follow.
This is what you base your case on? Please read the transcript and tell me how this hangs zimmerman?

Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin | Phoebe's Detention Room

Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin | Phoebe's Detention Room

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

really?
here is the full transcript. Not media talking points. please tell me which parts paint him as a vigilante? He sounds controlled and polite to the 911 operator. he tells them exactly where he is and exactly where the police should meet him. Would a murderer do that? He is noticably shaken when he provides his address because he realizes that that potential thief (in his state of mind) might over hear. The jury will hear fear in this, not aggression.
He twice make derogratory remarks about thieves - not trayvon, thieves. 99.99% of people believe thieves are punks, a-holes, etc. The jury will relate.
The 911 dispatcher says- We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Sounds like the dispatcher is on Zimmermans side! On the wire! He is approving Zimmermans actions!
And for the grand finale - the 911 operator says - "we dont need you to do that" when Zim is following. That wasnt an order, that was a comment. They didnt tell him not to follow.
This is what you base your case on? Please read the transcript and tell me how this hangs zimmerman?

Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin | Phoebe's Detention Room

Zimmerman 911 Call Transcript – Trayvon Martin | Phoebe's Detention Room

Facts:
He stalked the kid. (Proven by the fact HE TELLS THE DISPATCHER HE'S FOLLOWING TRAYVON)
He got into a confrontation with the kid. (Proven by the injuries)
He shot the kid. (The hole in the kid)

Horse dookie:
Everything you said.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

Facts:
He stalked the kid. (Proven by the fact HE TELLS THE DISPATCHER HE'S FOLLOWING TRAYVON)
He got into a confrontation with the kid. (Proven by the injuries)
He shot the kid. (The hole in the kid)

Horse dookie:
Everything you said.

I agree with your facts. But they don't prove that Zimmerman committed a crime, not by a long shot. Those facts that you listed, in no way prove that Martin didn't initiate the situation that made it reasonable for Zimmerman to assume he was in grave danger.

I'm not saying I like what Zimmerman did. I'm saying that the facts you listed don't even come close to eliminating reasonable doubt.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

Facts:
He stalked the kid. (Proven by the fact HE TELLS THE DISPATCHER HE'S FOLLOWING TRAYVON) - yup, he is following a suspicious person in an area with break ins- thats stewardship and good citizenship. Protecting his neighbors
He got into a confrontation with the kid. (Proven by the injuries) - who started it? defense will say TrayvonHe shot the kid. (The hole in the kid) - self defence

Horse dookie:
Everything you said.

Gee, that was a diffucult defense to your iron clad case

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

The 911 dispatcher says- We’ve got him on the wire. Just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Sounds like the dispatcher is on Zimmermans side! On the wire! He is approving Zimmermans actions!
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I think "On the Wire" means that they have dispatched it to units in the area to check out....I don't think its approving Zimmerman's actions.

I got a feeling this trial is going to be more about the Stand your Ground law than about Zimmerman's innocence or guilt

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

He's a good guy! He just has had a couple restraining orders along with calls of domestic violence, no worries!

Also make sure to put this part of the 911 call on repeat:
"These #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s," he muttered in an aside, "they always get away."

Aquit!

Likiwd, try for a minute to use your brain, not your feelings -
Put black granny on the stand saying that black kids have been robbing the neighborhood and put neighbors on the stand saying that Zimmerman has been trying to help out. Put examples how recently robbers have escaped after Zimmerman called, etc. The jury will be sympathtic to Zim. I dont know if you've been on a jury but its all about getting the jury to like or dislike someone. That is who they will believe. Facts are sketchy, this case will be all about character.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Likiwd, try for a minute to use your brain, not your feelings -
Put black granny on the stand saying that black kids have been robbing the neighborhood and put neighbors on the stand saying that Zimmerman has been trying to help out. Put examples how recently robbers have escaped after Zimmerman called, etc. The jury will be sympathtic to Zim. I dont know if you've been on a jury but its all about getting the jury to like or dislike someone. That is who they will believe. Facts are sketchy, this case will be all about character.

This is about Zimmerman taking matters into his own hands and shooting someone, not any of your other bs.

Yes, I've been on two juries.
Its not about symapthy or any other bs you spew up, its about facts.

Fact is, he gunned the kid down. They won't be able to prove he was defending ANYTHING given he STALKED the kid.

Now, tell me, what is it like to have the media telling you how to think?

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by likwid

This is about Zimmerman taking matters into his own hands and shooting someone, not any of your other bs.

Yes, I've been on two juries.
Its not about symapthy or any other bs you spew up, its about facts.

Fact is, he gunned the kid down. They won't be able to prove he was defending ANYTHING given he STALKED the kid.

Now, tell me, what is it like to have the media telling you how to think?

Thats bs - every fact they put up to support that, the defense will have a counter. Stalked, thats an opinion, not a fact. It is a fact that when Zim witnessed a crime, the police got there too late, fact. It speaks to his rationale, its not illegal to follow a person who may be commititng a crime - then look at the history of the neighborhood. Who is your eyewitness? no one! It will come down to circumstance and character.
Sorry, not the media, my own opinion. Sorry it doesnt agree with yours. So you are saying that the prosecution will not try to paint zimmerman as a hot headed vigilante? There case will be all fact? BullShat.