Chick Fil-A franchises not welcome

[spence]

No, he didn't say that "he" opposed same sex marriage, he said "the company" opposes same sex marriage.

Big difference.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, he didn't say that "he" opposed same sex marriage, he said "the company" opposes same sex marriage.


-spence

Correct, that is what he said.

Now tell me how that is grounds for a city denying a license to a Chick Fil-A franchise? When did it become illegal for a company to donate to groups that advocate for traditional marriage? As far as I know, no one is saying that the company, or franchises, don't hire or serve people who disagree with their views. As far as I can tell, the whole thing came to a head because, as usual, liberals have zero tolerance for anyone who isn't as enlightened as they are. Again, if someone wants to boycott the restaurant because of their views, fine. But I don't see how the government can prohibit the restaurant from operating, because of the company's values. Even the ACLU, for God's sake, has said that these cities wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court. Blatant violatrion of the First Amendment. Spence, I would think that, as a progressive, you'd be concerned if the government was trampling someone's right to free speech? Or are you admitting that not everyone has that right?

I also see you dodged my connection to the fact that liberals, as a group, are quite concerned about the conservative war on women, but those same liberals apparently show no concern for the way Muslims treat their women. Any comment on that?

[Jim in CT]

Spence, one last question, regarding gay marriage...

It is a fact that large majorities of blacks oppose gay marriage. It is also a fact that large majorities of Muslims oppose gay marriage. Yet when liberals are accusing someone of homophobia, it is ALWAYS white Christians. Why is that? Why are white Christians singled out for their opposition to gay marriage?

Answer...blacks and Muslims vote Democrat, so their bigotry is OK to liberals...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, one last question, regarding gay marriage...

It is a fact that large majorities of blacks oppose gay marriage. It is also a fact that large majorities of Muslims oppose gay marriage. Yet when liberals are accusing someone of homophobia, it is ALWAYS white Christians. Why is that? Why are white Christians singled out for their opposition to gay marriage?

Answer...blacks and Muslims vote Democrat, so their bigotry is OK to liberals...

I think a more obvious answer is that you don't see a lot of black people or Muslims out protesting gay marriage. It's usually white Christians.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I think a more obvious answer is that you don't see a lot of black people or Muslims out protesting gay marriage. It's usually white Christians.

-spence

I saw some this morning...thanks for clearing that up

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think a more obvious answer is that you don't see a lot of black people or Muslims out protesting gay marriage. It's usually white Christians.

-spence

I see. Spence, a few questions/comments...

First, do you have any data, any at all, to support your argument? I see black leaders on Foxnews all the time (that being the only network that bothers to mention that blacks are, as a group, opposed to gay marriage), denouncing gay marriage. Blacks and Hispanics were the reason why gay marriage was defeated in the California vote, and I never, not once, heard a liberal refer to blacks or Hispanics as bigoted.

Second, you're going to sit there with a straight face, and tell me that liberals aren't opposed to being anti-gay marriage, as long as one doesn't go to a public demonstration about the subject? Accordong to liberals, it's OK for one to vote against gay marriage, as long as you don't publicly protest? That's your idea of an "obvious answer"

Third, has the CEO of Chich Fil-A ever been seen at an anti gay marriage protest? If not, why is eh being called a bigot?

Fourth. If you are correct that what liberals oppose are public demonstrations (and of course you are not), why do liberals claim that conservatives are anti-woman, and are waging a "war on women"? Have you ever seen conservatives hold a public demonstration to publicly announce their opposition to women?

Fifth, have you been painting inside with the windows shut? Please remember to open the windows a crack, the fumes are getting to you...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

First, do you have any data, any at all, to support your argument? I see black leaders on Foxnews all the time (that being the only network that bothers to mention that blacks are, as a group, opposed to gay marriage), denouncing gay marriage. Blacks and Hispanics were the reason why gay marriage was defeated in the California vote, and I never, not once, heard a liberal refer to blacks or Hispanics as bigoted.

That's because you probably watch too much FOX News.

Second, you're going to sit there with a straight face, and tell me that liberals aren't opposed to being anti-gay marriage, as long as one doesn't go to a public demonstration about the subject? Accordong to liberals, it's OK for one to vote against gay marriage, as long as you don't publicly protest? That's your idea of an "obvious answer"

No, I'm saying the white conservative Christians get the most attention because they're the most visible and hence easiest target. Go Google anti-gay protest images and tell me how many black people or Muslims you see.

Third, has the CEO of Chich Fil-A ever been seen at an anti gay marriage protest? If not, why is eh being called a bigot?

Because he said..."God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is about."

bigot (ˈbɪɡət)

— n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race

Fourth. If you are correct that what liberals oppose are public demonstrations (and of course you are not), why do liberals claim that conservatives are anti-woman, and are waging a "war on women"? Have you ever seen conservatives hold a public demonstration to publicly announce their opposition to women?

Now you're just making stuff up. As for the war on women, it's called a...

METAPHOR

Fifth, have you been painting inside with the windows shut? Please remember to open the windows a crack, the fumes are getting to you...

I'd note that for someone who is obsessed with the suspected intolerance of others you label anyone who hold a differing opinion as having mental issues or being on drugs.

-spence

[scottw]

[QUOTE=spence;951041]bigot (ˈbɪɡət)

— n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race




hello Bigot

Spence...only posted that because it's very easy to claim this just because others happen to disagree with your world view...we all seem intolerant to those that hold differing views...shouldn't be tossed about ....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's because you probably watch too much FOX News.


No, I'm saying the white conservative Christians get the most attention because they're the most visible and hence easiest target. Go Google anti-gay protest images and tell me how many black people or Muslims you see.



Because he said..."God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to try to redefine what marriage is about."

bigot (ˈbɪɡət)

— n
a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race


Now you're just making stuff up. As for the war on women, it's called a...

METAPHOR


I'd note that for someone who is obsessed with the suspected intolerance of others you label anyone who hold a differing opinion as having mental issues or being on drugs.

-spence

"That's because you probably watch too much FOX News."

If you say that blacks don't protest gay marriage, I'd suggest you don't watch enough FoxNews.

"Go Google anti-gay protest images and tell me how many black people or Muslims you see."

I did that for you. and I don't recall any liberals saying that the 1300 black ministers who protested gay marriage, were bigots.

"Now you're just making stuff up. As for the war on women, it's called a metaphor"

OK. First, you say I'm makibg up the fact that liberals claim there is a conservative war on women. Then you say the liberal claim of the conservative war on women is ametaphor. Spence, either the liberal claims of a war on women doesn't exist, or it's a metaphor. It cannot be both.

"you label anyone who hold a differing opinion as having mental issues "

Wrong. I don't label "anyone" with differing opinions as mentally unglued. I only refer to people thusly who believe things that are demonstrably false, or who are guilty of spectacular hypocrisy. Anyone who claims to be "tolerant", yet who supports Rahn Emanuel's claim that Christians can't open a business if they voice their beliefs, is an unbelievable hypocrit. You displayed your lunacy when you claimed that liberals ignore black "intolerance" because blacks don't show their intolerance in public. Every person here knows why liberals won't call blacks out on this, because they need black votes. In other words, it's OK to be opposed to gay marriage if you have been anointed with "victim" status by liberals.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

you don't see a lot of black people or Muslims out protesting gay marriage. It's usually white Christians.

-spence

Black pastors to protest NAACP support for gay marriage | WashingtonExaminer.com

Spence, before you say something that inane, try Googling it first. I saw all kinds of black protests of anti-gay marriage...

Muslim, and Pro-Gay Marriage | Change.org News

"Homosexuality is strictly forbidden in Islam..."

Spence, you have this habit, when backed into a corner from which there is no escape, of inventing theories that support your agenda, but which have zero basis in reality.

Instead of forming your opinion, and then inventing facts which support your opinion...how about getting the facts first, then formulating your opinion, based on the actual (not made-up) facts? I think you'll find that approach puts you in a better position to defend what you preach...

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I also see you dodged my connection to the fact that liberals, as a group, are quite concerned about the conservative war on women, but those same liberals apparently show no concern for the way Muslims treat their women. Any comment on that?

It's interesting when people say for instance that good Muslims should speak out more against bad Muslims, when the reality is that quite a lot do and at great risk. It's just not covered by the MSM for some reason...I thought they were all liberals?

One of my favorite gay liberal Muslims (ok, perhaps the only one I know of) is Irshad Manji who wrote an entire book about how Islamic treatment of women is the core problem with Islam in modern society.

There's a lot of it out there, you just have to look for it.

-spence

[Jenn]

Eat more Kale

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Jenn

Eat more Kale

The first thing that will be affected by our nationwide drought
(in 2013)
will be the very fast growth rate of Chicken
and their pricing due to and an increase in cost for corn grain

There's only so much people will be willing to pay
for a chicken sandwich.... in the end.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's interesting when people say for instance that good Muslims should speak out more against bad Muslims, when the reality is that quite a lot do and at great risk. It's just not covered by the MSM for some reason...I thought they were all liberals?

One of my favorite gay liberal Muslims (ok, perhaps the only one I know of) is Irshad Manji who wrote an entire book about how Islamic treatment of women is the core problem with Islam in modern society.

There's a lot of it out there, you just have to look for it.

-spence

OK, you say one Muslim wrote a book about the treatmwnt of women. That's not what I asked. I asked why liberals claim that conservatives are waging war on women,m but don't seem to be concerned about the waty Muslims treat women. You say there's liberal coverage of that issue. Whatever.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by spence

No, he didn't say that "he" opposed same sex marriage, he said "the company" opposes same sex marriage.

Big difference.

-spence

Doesn't matter. Nothing stated violates Massachusetts' anti-discrimination laws. If they qualify for the permitting, then it would be reprehensible to not give it to them.

I'm not saying at all that I agree with the company's stance, but it's well within their right to have that opinion.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Evelyn Hall

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." ~ Evelyn Hall

I like that quote, see it used often and wonder how many that quote it would actually do it

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Doesn't matter. Nothing stated violates Massachusetts' anti-discrimination laws. If they qualify for the permitting, then it would be reprehensible to not give it to them.

I don't believe I ever said the threat could withstand a legal challenge.

But the story certainly is bigger because he said it was the company rather than just his personal beliefs.

-spence