Chick Fil-A franchises not welcome

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Being opposed to gay marriage is not saying that gays can't live the way they choose. They just don't want to call it "marriage". just don't say it in public ....since Spence is playing vague, I'll ask him to elaborate or enlighten us at to how male+male or female+female = male+female from both the evolutionary common sense perspective as well as the Creatonist common sense perspective....

A homosexual couple and a heterosexual couple are not the same thing. There is a huge diference. apparently not and pointing this out makes you a dictator and taker of freedom One relationship can produce life, one cannot. Treating two different things as if they are different is not, by definition, discriminatiry. oh, yes it is

That's the anti-gay-marriage view, and it has some validity to me. But in the end, I have no issue with gay marriage.

I don't think Eben read what I wrote, either that or it was just making a generalized statement which may or may not apply generally

I think you summed it up pretty well..........I'm not rabidly anti-gay marriage, probably more "evolving" on the issue like our president....and my feelings on the issue have little to do with my faith(as far as where they originate) but they do align to some extent....they are more to do with the fact that I've never seen anything to convinvince me that a+a or b+b = a+b.....my pause on the subject is that I simply don't or can't to this point, see the two as the same.....I do think it's obvious that many who feel this way have thown up their hands and said "just let them get married....I'm sick of hearing about it" helping along Spence's "public opinion vector" to some extent

I should note that due to the nature of my business I'm pretty confident that I've spent more time working and talking with gay singles and couples over the last 25 years that most of you combined...

I think there is both acceptance an accomodation that is possible without forever changing the most basic and fundamental arrangement from both evolutionary and creationist "common sense perspective"....

from experience...just as Spence pointed out that certain Christians are those out "protesting" the issue and others who might be like minded are silent or even fearful...I also think most homosexual folks are currently living their lives as they choose, enjoying freedom.... and probably don't like being defined by the more vocal activists and proponents

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

I don't think Eben read what I wrote, either that or it was just making a generalized statement which may or may not apply generally

I think you summed it up pretty well..........I'm not rabidly anti-gay marriage, probably more "evolving" on the issue like our president....and my feelings on the issue have little to do with my faith but they do align to some extent....they are more to do with the fact that I've never seen anything to convinvince me that a+a or b+b = a+b.....my pause on the subject is that I simply don't or can't to this point, see the two as the same.....I do think it's obvious that many who feel this way have thown up their hands and said "just let them get married....I'm sick of hearing about it" helping along Spence's "public opinion vector" to some extent

I should note that due to the nature of my business I'm pretty confident that I've spent more time working and talking with gay singles and couples over the last 25 years that most of you combined...

I think there is both acceptance an accomodation that is possible without forever changing the most basic and fundamental arrangement from both evolutionary and creationist "common sense perspective"....

from experience...just as Spence pointed out that certain Christians are those out "protesting" the issue and others who might be like minded are silent or even fearful...I also think most homosexual folks are currently living their lives as they choose, enjoying freedom.... and probably don't like being defined by the more vocal activists and proponents

Good post. Bu tthi sissue that I posted about here is not about gay marriage. It's about whether or not Christians have the right to exist in the public square.

If Mitt Romney wants to be President, here's what he should say to Obama in a debate..."Mr President, your former chief of staff is telling Christians that they are not welcome to open businesses in Chicago. Is he correct?"

That puts Obama in a true no-win situation. No escape.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

But the issue that I posted about here is not about gay marriage. It's about whether or not Christians have the right to exist in the public square.

huh??

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

huh??

The mayors of Chicago and Boston are telling the CEO of Chick fil-A, that he cannot open a legal business in those cities. The sole reason is that he voiced his Christian beliefs.

How's that for freedom of religion and that famous liberal tolerance?

[scottw]

just read this and wondring if this falls under some folks definition of "bigot"


Mayor Rahm Emanuel “Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values,” he said. “They disrespect our fellow neighbors and residents. This would be a bad investment, since it would be empty.”

That last statement implies that Emanuel believes it is politicians, not markets, who should determine what is and isn’t a good investment. And that is bad news not just for fans of waffle fries; it bodes poorly for any Windy City business that chooses to support unpopular or controversial causes.

Boston’s mayor, Thomas Menino, has been even more explicit; it looks as if the entire city will probably miss out on the chance to boycott “Chick-fil-A or whatever the hell the name is,” as he put it. The Atlanta-based chain doesn’t have any restaurants in Beantown yet, but it has been considering opening one near the Freedom Trail. That won’t be an easy task. “If they need licenses in the city, it will be very difficult — unless they open up their policies,” Menino told the Boston Herald.

sounds very "intolerant"

[Jim in CT]

When Michele Bachman put her foot in her mouth last week, many influential republicans condemned what she said. I don't see Democrats telling these mayors to remmeber that we have a Constitution, in which the freedom of speech is explicitly stated...

I hope the mayors stick to their guns, and I hope they get sued for a billion dollars.

That famous liberal tolerance, enlightenment, and concern for free speech. Unfreakinbelievable.

Imagine for a second, if a conservative mayor said Muslims can't open businesses in that city, because of their Islamic beliefs. Liberals would go berserk, and they'd be right to do so.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Mayor Rahm Emanuel “Chick-fil-A values are not Chicago values,” he said.

By that, I guess he means Chick fil-A doesn't believe in political corruption, playing the race card, and gang-banging gun violence?

[scottw]

keep in mind that the Progressives seek to turn our traditional ideas of Liberty and Justice on their head....

the Liberties guaranteed at our founding are termed "negative" because they are incomplete and the new "positive" Liberties need to reflect the values of the "real world" where absolutes are inadequate or outdated to deal with modern issues.....some win and some lose with government being the referee

the same can be said for Justice...simple Justice is not enough..the world is too complex...we need Social Justice and Economic Justice and Food Justice and others which are doled out by the Philosopher Kings whose Justice is not "Blind" but "Benevolent" and in the business of guanteeing outcomes(or claiming to) rather than protecting opportunty

It's not Justice at all in fact, but it allows them to pick and choose, based on some claim of fairness and equity to either grant or deny favor, based on their view of the world as it should be.....

so for the Progressive generally...this is perfectly acceptable

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

By that, I guess he means Chick fil-A doesn't believe in political corruption, playing the race card, and gang-banging gun violence?

Alright, now that made me laugh pretty hard.

[american spirit]

chik-fil-a makes good sandwiches and if you play endicott college in summer league soccer they give you coupons for the chik and christian propaganda pamphlets. funny stuff.