TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS?

[striperswiper75]

A draft agenda has been posted on the ASMFC calendar about the Technical Committee meeting this Thursday and Friday. It appears they will be discussing Addendum IV state implementation plans as well as formulate recommendations on implementation plans/ conservation equivalency proposals. No documentation (as of yet) on how states will approach implementation.
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[DZ]

Originally Posted by striperswiper75

A draft agenda has been posted on the ASMFC calendar about the Technical Committee meeting this Thursday and Friday. It appears they will be discussing Addendum IV state implementation plans as well as formulate recommendations on implementation plans/ conservation equivalency proposals. No documentation (as of yet) on how states will approach implementation.
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Interesting in that RI and Mass have not even announced what, if any, their CE choices are? I'm confused as to why they will be meeting before each state has announced their own plans. The process makes my head spin.

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by DZ

Interesting in that RI and Mass have not even announced what, if any, their CE choices are? I'm confused as to why they will be meeting before each state has announced their own plans. The process makes my head spin.

Many states choose to submit multiple plans to the tech. committee before they announce anything to the public. It kinda makes sense, why seek public input if the CE won't be approved by the tech. committee.

[DZ]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Many states choose to submit multiple plans to the tech. committee before they announce anything to the public. It kinda makes sense, why seek public input if the CE won't be approved by the tech. committee.

You're right Mike - that does make sense.

[striperswiper75]

Makes me wonder how these plans were drafted and who did the actual drafting of the plan(s). I was told the plans would be released in Mid January as part of the February Board meeting materials.
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[ivanputski]

Shady
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[Headhunter]

How about no one keeps anything and then everyone that wants to keep fish will be fishing a different species. Couple of years of that and 1 fish for anyone per day dosent sound that bad. Any commercial or charter guys worth their weight will survive and the rest will go do somthing else. Recs will catch and release and you will fing alot of charter clients wanting to do the same. Keep going the way we are going and that is where we will end up in 2 or 3 seasons. Bite the bullet now or take it in the behind later. The guys that will be around will be around either way. Lets do what is best for the resource and our children.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

How about no one keeps anything and then everyone that wants to keep fish will be fishing a different species. Couple of years of that and 1 fish for anyone per day dosent sound that bad. Any commercial or charter guys worth their weight will survive and the rest will go do somthing else. Recs will catch and release and you will fing alot of charter clients wanting to do the same. Keep going the way we are going and that is where we will end up in 2 or 3 seasons. Bite the bullet now or take it in the behind later. The guys that will be around will be around either way. Lets do what is best for the resource and our children.

We can take up the problem of disease and water quality that is really the culprit in another dream
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

We can take up the problem of disease and water quality that is really the culprit in another dream
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So, more regulations to improve water quality by reducing fertilizer and other run off?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by buckman

We can take up the problem of disease and water quality that is really the culprit in another dream
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Republican congress already has funding for the Chesapeake Bay program in it's targets. The connection of economic benefits to a healthy population and clean water is way to complicated for most of them. Simple minded just say we should spend less money.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Republican congress already has funding for the Chesapeake Bay program in it's targets. The connection of economic benefits to a healthy population and clean water is way to complicated for most of them. Simple minded just say we should spend less money.

Yes it's the GOPs fault you can't catch a bass .
You should research what this Administration has done to the fisheries .
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by buckman

Yes it's the GOPs fault you can't catch a bass .
You should research what this Administration has done to the fisheries .
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Ha. You're are funny. Guess water quality and bay health is number one goal of the new congress. Stupid is as stupid does.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Headhunter

How about no one keeps anything and then everyone that wants to keep fish will be fishing a different species. Couple of years of that and 1 fish for anyone per day dosent sound that bad. Any commercial or charter guys worth their weight will survive and the rest will go do somthing else. Recs will catch and release and you will fing alot of charter clients wanting to do the same. Keep going the way we are going and that is where we will end up in 2 or 3 seasons. Bite the bullet now or take it in the behind later. The guys that will be around will be around either way. Lets do what is best for the resource and our children.

Very well said.
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[ivanputski]

Headhunter... Well said... Great points
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[ivanputski]

How many large, breeder bass died from disease and water quality in a single weekend this july?

Now, how many large breeder bass died in a single weekend this july aboard rec and charter boats?

Its time to decrease the instant kill for comm, recs and rec charters.

Thats good for the fish, but not your paycheck, so im sure you will disagree somehow in your very next post. Continually arguing to keep two fish proves you value income BEFORE preserving longevity of a species.
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[Headhunter]

"We can take up the problem of disease and water quality that is really the culprit in another dream"
Not going to have to worrie about that in 2 or 3 more seasons if we dont stop killing more that the resource can bare..............first things first then we will continue to work on/ forage/ water quality / disease / greed / and perhaps even a little stupidity.......... comment not aimed at any one here just to avoid that rant.

[Clammer]

IMO If we blow up the improvements that Providence made in its sewerage system

within 5 years the bay S/b fifthy again / but the fishing for all species will have greatly inproved

[Sea Dangles]

I don't think Buckman would be so impassioned if his son was not a commercial angler. His emotional ties are those which any good father would express,regardless of the plight of the fisheries. Folks like ourselves are simply unable to understand his urgency. Family first.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I don't think Buckman would be so impassioned if his son was not a commercial angler. His emotional ties are those which any good father would express,regardless of the plight of the fisheries. Folks like ourselves are simply unable to understand his urgency. Family first.
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That's a fair statement and I do appreciate it. But in reality I truly do believe that businesses can be protected and the goal of restoring striped bass can be accomplished at the same time.
As with all regulations there is an extreme at both ends . The economical, the practical, and the correct choices can be made.
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[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I don't think Buckman would be so impassioned if his son was not a commercial angler. His emotional ties are those which any good father would express,regardless of the plight of the fisheries. Folks like ourselves are simply unable to understand his urgency. Family first.
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They don't fish commercially for bass and don't sell bass.....just saying....
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Piscator

They don't fish commercially for bass and don't sell bass.....just saying....
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Nor did I state they did.
But I am sure they would make a fortune if they did,with all the fish out there for the taking.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Nor did I state they did.
But I am sure they would make a fortune if they did,with all the fish out there for the taking.
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I was thinking the same thing, great minds think alike . I read here that you can catch them the night before and still make huge money .
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[ivanputski]

As passionate as many of us have been in this discussion, I feel that we are reaching the point of reiterating our position in a repetitive cycle.

In the end, some see the need to take measures to protect fish first,
while others see the need to take measures to protect personal income first.

We all have our position, and seem to be sticking to it. I am not going to convince some one who's judgement and common sense are blinded by $ to change their views. just the same, no one is going to convince me that allowing a certain group to kill more fish to preserve their own personal income is what is in the best interest for the fish.

I pray that somehow, common sense will prevail and people will decide to help protect the fish we all love. I dont see how anyone can argue that taking an intermission from the rate of killing is a bad idea... might not be what's best for YOUR personal income, but it is what's best for the fish.

I dare anyone to tell me that killing more fish is better for the bass population than killing less fish.

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

I dare anyone to tell me that killing more fish is better for the bass population than killing less fish.

[Rockfish9]

This argument and finger pointing has been going on since the days of beach crews working gill nets... we can only control one thing.. and that's the harvest... everything else requires time, effort, and REAL science...not "science" skewed by personal agendas... the natural progression of life has a way of sorting things out.... the rest is up to us...

[BasicPatrick]

FYI...the analysis of potential reduction in the below chart was not done in segments. It was a fishery wide analysis. To suggest that the same reductions will apply if this is pick and choose by subset of the is just inaccurate. No one has seen analysis of split regs. IT may not be possible.

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

FY No one has seen analysis of split regs. IT may not be possible.

isn't this an example of the split regs?
http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...3&d=1420829068

[buckman]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

As passionate as many of us have been in this discussion, I feel that we are reaching the point of reiterating our position in a repetitive cycle.

In the end, some see the need to take measures to protect fish first,
while others see the need to take measures to protect personal income first.

We all have our position, and seem to be sticking to it. I am not going to convince some one who's judgement and common sense are blinded by $ to change their views. just the same, no one is going to convince me that allowing a certain group to kill more fish to preserve their own personal income is what is in the best interest for the fish.

I pray that somehow, common sense will prevail and people will decide to help protect the fish we all love. I dont see how anyone can argue that taking an intermission from the rate of killing is a bad idea... might not be what's best for YOUR personal income, but it is what's best for the fish.

I dare anyone to tell me that killing more fish is better for the bass population than killing less fish.

I haven't heard anyone say put the dollars ahead of the fish. Why are you going to take everything to the extreme?
I'll give you a quick example… Just a couple short years ago we were fighting to keep bluefin tuna from being put on the endangered species list . As silly as that sounds it was a hard fought battle.
Commercial bluefin tuna fisherman are instrumental in setting the harvest quota . The fish are doing well by most standards .
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[ivanputski]

Every single example of 2 fish yields a lower rate of reduction than 1 fish, does it not?

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

Every single example of 2 fish yields a lower rate of reduction than 1 fish, does it not?

-2% difference, That's Still over the 25% reduction we all agree on.Heck it's even 4%HIGHER.
That's not good enough for you. You want everyone to have the same limits. The same playing field, Regardless of the reduction numbers.
As Nebe said, This isn't about the reduction, this is about charter boats having a different limit then rec guys.
Charter boats have different regs for many other species, Why not Bass?
Obviously the powers that be in the past have agreed that charter boats are not the same and set different rules accordingly