TWO BASS FOR RI CHARTER AND PARTY BOATS?

[dannyplug1]

In my travels I have heard some rumors to the effect that the RI charter and party boat guys will try to get two bass rather than the one bass that the recs will have to abide by. They complain that they cant make a living with out the extra fish. Especially at the beginning and end of the season when they put themselves in the black for the season. They argue that they give fish in some other way such as not fishing on certain days for example (note they might have other suggestions that I have not heard about). I strenuously object. If RI gives an advantage to the for hire guys all the states will want it for their guys and it will continue down the coast. Furthermore if there is a perceived inequity people are less likely to follow the rules. E.g.. the Chesapeake guys are allowed to take fish at 18 inches why cant we? Lastly, on a charter boat what's to say if the captain wants to get more meat for his or her fairs they could give his and the mates one fish to the clients. Would like to hear from some party or charter boat guys to hear if this is true and their reasons for lobbying for two fish. thanks

[tlapinski]

New York began looking into mode splits the day after the SB meeting, so it is not just RI looking for such measures. My guess is that RI & NY will get their way and then CT will be pigeon-holed into following suit and MA may end up following their lead as well. NJ made it very apparent at the meeting in Mystic that they wanted a 2-fish bag limit and were really the driving force behind the conservation equivalency measure being added to the regulations.

As far as a boat taking fish for their crew, it is currently only illegal to do so in NY. I will not comment on how often it occurs or make any generalizations as to its practice, but I will say that it is perfectly legal to do so in most states.

[thefishingfreak]

yes true, the charter boat association is asking for a higher limit on for hire trips in Mass.

[DZ]

We're now trying to line up a listing of for hires that will continue to support a one fish bag here in RI - I have a list of them to counter the groups that may be pushing for a two fish bag. Any other Rhode island for hires that will support one fish is encouraged to let me know who you are so we can add you and organize. I recommend each state do this.

This may be a very contentious issue and I realize that The Fisherman Magazine and OTW walk a fine line here as many of their advertisers are from the industry.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by DZ

We're now trying to line up a listing of for hires that will continue to support a one fish bag here in RI - I have a list of them to counter the groups that may be pushing for a two fish bag. Any other Rhode island for hires that will support one fish is encouraged to let me know who you are so we can add you and organize. I recommend each state do this.

*Good going Dennis..

This may be a very contentious issue and I realize that The Fisherman Magazine and OTW walk a fine line here as many of their advertisers are from the industry.

*They can't be on both sides....man up.

[thefishingfreak]

We (the stellwagen bank charter boat assn.) are asking for a 2 fish@33" limit on for hire trips with charters on board

[niko]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

We (the stellwagen bank charter boat assn.) are asking for a 2 fish@33" limit on for hire trips with charters on board

and that sucks

[thefishingfreak]

especially for the boats who guarantee keepers or the trip is free

[Clammer]

so WTF is the difference from before . except the size ............................ it still come down to two fish X the number of persons on the charter & then add the Capatain & mate .................... its polotics [sp] as usual

same old B/S .

if it was Cod or Scup , or sea bass I could see fighting for whst you can get .

But bass .... we are tring to save what,s left of them ?>

many of the bass charters arn,t out for the meat ...... many don,t even want or take the fish .

same as you go Giant tuna fishing , sailfishing , etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Its all about the experience

[rockdoc]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

We (the stellwagen bank charter boat assn.) are asking for a 2 fish@33" limit on for hire trips with charters on board

2 fish per passenger and 2 fish each capt and crew?

rockdoc

[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by rockdoc

2 fish per passenger and 2 fish each capt and crew?

rockdoc

per passenger.

[Rob Rockcrawler]

I am not a fan of separate regs for "for-hire" vessels. Get your limit of bass then go for other species just like now. No shares for the Capt and crew. I only went on a charter once about 15 years ago. 6 pack and we took home 18 bass with a mess of blues and fluke. I know the fluke was eaten and a couple meals worth of bass, i know the majority was thrown away probably with freezer burn. It's about the catch not the keep.

[FishermanTim]

Maybe there should be size limits for EVERYONE, rec's and comm's, and have it apply to EVERY STATE that harvests stripers?

That way no one state will have an edge, and for states that harbor the overwintering populations, they should do more to protect the YOY for future generations instead of just trying to "get theirs" before they're gone!

Oh, and how about ensuring that the fish we are saving by lowering our catch allowances have enough food to survive? That means no more net dragging for herring and shad and baitfish of ALL species that are being killed annually?

Sure, saving the stripers is a good, heart-warming, earthy-crunchy idea of lofty morals, but saving fish so they die from starvation and disease (from stress of starvation) is kind of doing things the way government has ALWAYS done things....half-arsed!

[dannyplug1]

The rules should be the same coast wide. No ifs ands or buts. If your interested in fairness maybe every one fisherman be they commercial, rec for hire should be allowed to take one fish. And with that fish they should be allowed to sell it eat it or let it go so long as they take one fish and adhere to the legal size limit. I am sure this wouldn't work but its an interesting idea.

[Rockport24]

Agreed. why do charters need to keep two fish per person? I would think a HALF of a fish per person is plenty, let alone one.

[Slipknot]

ONE fish coastwide
no whining allowed
if they are afraid at one fish, customers won't hire them, tough chit, man up
when the going gets tough, the tough get going so get the hell going and work harder , be more creative, this age of entitlement is getting rediculous. screw that
I'm not a fan of separate regulations either
just look at the cod WTF

[Raider Ronnie]

FISHING IS STUPID.
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[Linesider82]

The solution is simple, we need to kill less fish, and it needs to happen from everyone. Recreational, Charter, Commercial.

The solution is also currently impossible due to the divided coast-wide attitude of fishermen.

If you catch the last breeding female striped bass, I hope you release it.
I will, but I will also innovate and change my ways to ensure we don't see that day (again).

[buckman]

If the targeted reduction in overall mortality is hit then what difference does it make who is allowed to catch what?
There are very few species left for the charters to target. A lot of these guys that come up and do a charter spend a ton of money in the areas and only do it once or twice a year
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

If the targeted reduction in overall mortality is hit then what difference does it make who is allowed to catch what?
There are very few species left for the charters to target. A lot of these guys that come up and do a charter spend a ton of money in the areas and only do it once or twice a year
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So, one of the scenes of the biggest slaughter has been Block Island, RI, MA, CT and NY boats. How many of those fish are between 28" and 33" that would be released, and reduce the mortality?

My issue here is that it is a nominal reduction, but 2 @ 33" for most charters is the same mortality as 2 @ 28". I am not opposed to some of the splits; tautog in the fall in RI has been split regs for a while now, scup as well.

[afterhours]

why should an angler who fishes on a charter boat be allowed to keep twice as many stripers as the guy in the surf? because he paid to go on a boat? or how about joe blow on his own boat he can only keep one? I will support those charters in favor of the 1 fish per angler, the others- not so much.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by afterhours

why should an angler who fishes on a charter boat be allowed to keep twice as many stripers as the guy in the surf? because he paid to go on a boat? or how about joe blow on his own boat he can only keep one? I will support those charters in favor of the 1 fish per angler, the others- not so much.

Sure, great point. So I take my nephews on my boat and everyone chips in for gas. Now, if I have a 6 pack license I'm a charter so we can all keep 2 fish a piece.

THIS IS STUPID!!! ONE FISH PER DAY PER ANGLER. PERIOD!!!!!!

[buckman]

Originally Posted by piemma

Sure, great point. So I take my nephews on my boat and everyone chips in for gas. Now, if I have a 6 pack license I'm a charter so we can all keep 2 fish a piece.

THIS IS STUPID!!! ONE FISH PER DAY PER ANGLER. PERIOD!!!!!!

I'm sure you know this ,but that would not make you a charter. There's a little more to it.
I'm not advocating for two fish for charters . I'm just playing devils advocate here.
I've been reading a lot of born-again one fish advocates, a lot of holier than thou flyfisherman, and a Lotta screw them they backed themselves into this corner talk .
Most of the boats that I know would only take two fish per customer if the customer requested it. None of the boats that I know commercial fish on days that they're also running a charter, that is illegal.
A lot of you one fish guys put more fish in the freezer in a year than the guy that fishes with his family once or twice a year on a charterboat.
With the new cod fish regulations and haddock regulations A lot of guys who have been in the business for many many years are being forced out . To some the new striper regulations will be the final steak in the coffin.
I'm not expecting anybody on the site to show a little compassion . But my feeling is there is enough fish to sustain the population and show compassion
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[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm sure you know this ,but that would not make you a charter. There's a little more to it.
I'm not advocating for two fish for charters . I'm just playing devils advocate here.
I've been reading a lot of born-again one fish advocates, a lot of holier than thou flyfisherman, and a Lotta screw them they backed themselves into this corner talk .
Most of the boats that I know would only take two fish per customer if the customer requested it. None of the boats that I know commercial fish on days that they're also running a charter, that is illegal.
A lot of you one fish guys put more fish in the freezer in a year than the guy that fishes with his family once or twice a year on a charterboat.
With the new cod fish regulations and haddock regulations A lot of guys who have been in the business for many many years are being forced out . To some the new striper regulations will be the final steak in the coffin.
I'm not expecting anybody on the site to show a little compassion . But my feeling is there is enough fish to sustain the population and show compassion
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You or I will never convince anyone on this site to see it differently. the guys who don't want to or can't, telling the guys who can and do, that they shouldn't. The "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. They would all have themselves using only biodegradable plugs with barbless circle hooks and you wouldn't even be able to photograph the fish because it might stress them.
We're nothing more than Greedy money grabbing cronies with our heads in the sand who are only out to pad our wallets and pay for the boats we cant afford at the expense of a fishery on the brink of utter and catastrophic collapse.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

You or I will never convince anyone on this site to see it differently. the guys who don't want to or can't, telling the guys who can and do, that they shouldn't. The "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. They would all have themselves using only biodegradable plugs with barbless circle hooks and you wouldn't even be able to photograph the fish because it might stress them.
We're nothing more than Greedy money grabbing cronies with our heads in the sand who are only out to pad our wallets and pay for the boats we cant afford at the expense of a fishery on the brink of utter and catastrophic collapse.

Mike.
How many times I got to tell you this is Stripers-Forever.Com
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

You or I will never convince anyone on this site to see it differently. the guys who don't want to or can't, telling the guys who can and do, that they shouldn't. The "everyone gets a trophy" mentality. They would all have themselves using only biodegradable plugs with barbless circle hooks and you wouldn't even be able to photograph the fish because it might stress them.
We're nothing more than Greedy money grabbing cronies with our heads in the sand who are only out to pad our wallets and pay for the boats we cant afford at the expense of a fishery on the brink of utter and catastrophic collapse.

LMAO
Mike we all don't live in Cambridge you know

tell us why you support a 2 fish allowance???

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm not expecting anybody on the site to show a little compassion . But my feeling is there is enough fish to sustain the population and show compassion
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that's fine but show me a more valid reason charters should be able to allow 2 fish per customer.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

that's fine but show me a more valid reason charters should be able to allow 2 fish per customer.

I haven't seen a valid reason they shouldn't . Some of you guys sound like the same people closing beaches for Piping Plovers 😊
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[brianmoc]

Originally Posted by afterhours

why should an angler who fishes on a charter boat be allowed to keep twice as many stripers as the guy in the surf? because he paid to go on a boat? or how about joe blow on his own boat he can only keep one? I will support those charters in favor of the 1 fish per angler, the others- not so much.

this is so true

[buckman]

What I am saying is, if in the end , the targeted reduction is obtained ,then why would it really matter if the charterboats ,in order to maintain their businesses, be allowed to keep two per client? Is this about the health of the bass biomass or about tit for tat. I don't get to keep two so no one should .....
Sounds pretty damn immature to me
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