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01-26-2007, 11:42 AM
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Got Sashimi?
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Hamilton Twp, NJ
Posts: 27
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Regrets....
Its with deep regrets that I must withdraw from the swap. I am in way over my head this season and other comittments that I must honor first, and I have the Asbury show to do this year, and after my fathers passing early in the year I have been overseeing the sale of his home and moving mom in with me over the last 2 months, I have had scant time to build. Getting 400 done by March 11 is going to be rough enough, and I am really bummed that I will miss out on so many awesome plugs, hopefully the future will afford me another opportunity to participate in such a huge event. I'm sorry for any inconvienience this will cause, but I bit off more than I could chew.
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01-26-2007, 02:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Monmouth Co, NJ
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It's OK Professor  I'm glad you got some Gary2 Slims. He is a meticulous builder and his plugs are very strong producers.
I do a small batch of epoxy at a time. 1 pump of resin and 1 pump of hardener equals about 5 or 6 drams (in a medicine cup) of epoxy mix. I get 8 or 10 plugs out of the batch depending on the size of the plugs. You really can't do too many at a time because you have to wipe off any excess and clear the lip slot and wire hole before the epoxy hardens. The stuff hardens much faster than normal due to the high temp of the blank. So:
I mix a batch of the epoxy, quickly coat the plugs, wipe them down, mix another batch, etc till I'm done. Doing 50 plug blanks took me about a hour.
After the epoxy cures (overnight) I prime with Kilz Red Label primer. Then I lay on a coat of Createx Base Coat sealer (either white or black depending upon the desired paint color), spray on my colors, and then I wire and apply the final coat of epoxy to the outside. I do not use a separate clear coat or scratch coat. I epoxy right over the paint. I will use the West Systems for final finish unless I'm painting over pure white. White plugs will continue to get a coat of Systems 3 Mirror Coat or Clear coat depending upon the plug.
John E I've used this method with excellent results on birch, AYC and Western Red. I heard of 2 plugs of mine that were Western Red that split last year. I think that this was due to me having to drill out the hardened epoxy from the through hole in a batch that I neglected to clean out during the sealing process. I probably got down into unprotected wood on those plugs and the WR swells like a sponge. I haven't experience any other problems doing it like this. No delamination, no peeling.
Rock,  I'm sorry to hear that you will not be able to complete the swap. Do what you have to do. I'll come and buy some of your plugs at the Asbury Show!
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01-26-2007, 03:17 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: scituate ma
Posts: 123
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bigrock
Its with deep regrets that I must withdraw from the swap. I am in way over my head this season and other comittments that I must honor first, and I have the Asbury show to do this year, and after my fathers passing early in the year I have been overseeing the sale of his home and moving mom in with me over the last 2 months, I have had scant time to build. Getting 400 done by March 11 is going to be rough enough, and I am really bummed that I will miss out on so many awesome plugs, hopefully the future will afford me another opportunity to participate in such a huge event. I'm sorry for any inconvienience this will cause, but I bit off more than I could chew.
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Thats too bad, I was looking forward to seeing a bigrock plug in person. Maybe I'll make the trip to Asbury. Hope everything works out for you. |
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01-26-2007, 03:46 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Monmouth Co, NJ
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No Paul. It's not just opaque paint.
It is the Createx Auto Air base coat sealer I think it is the 4400 series paint. It comes in white and black. Check out the Createx Auto Air web page and look at the way it bonds coats of paint together. It's pretty impressive.
If your plug blank is hot, the epoxy really does suck right into the wood and it should not result in buildup that would restrict the opening. I have never had a big problem with it. A quick swab with a Q-Tip while the epoxy is still wet would certainly prevent any issues.
Patrick
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01-26-2007, 04:05 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
Posts: 14,773
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Thanks for your time.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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01-26-2007, 02:58 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
Posts: 14,773
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Thanks P. When you say Base coat are you talking about Opaque because I don't see the Base coat listed where I get it from. Another thing is do you find the tail hole for the weight shrinks up very much thus making a tight fitting tail weight a PIA to get in with the epoxy because I would imagine wiping off the outside not to be a problem but internally could be a little hard. Also as far as belly weights do you have something that adheres good to the epoxy to hold them in? Thanks as always. P.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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01-26-2007, 06:13 PM
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Primate
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Central Jersey
Posts: 106
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Instead of spending $100+ on west system epoxy, there's more generic boatbuilding epoxies out there. I've used marinepoxy from boatplans online's web store on a boat I built and I personally liked it better than west system. There was no amine blush with the marinepoxy and there was a lot with the west system. Both were watery thin and had excellent penetration, but the cheaper stuff seemed a little thinner.
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01-26-2007, 06:36 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
Posts: 14,773
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I know this previous info on epoxy sealing was a hijack of the Moass thread. Can it be put in a how to thread as it is full of great info that some might miss.
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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01-26-2007, 08:42 PM
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Who stole my fish???
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 290
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Patrick,
Thanks for all the info. Good stuff.
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02-03-2007, 05:08 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
Posts: 8,592
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Finally, ready for sealer. Started with 39 and lost 3 along the way.  Hope to have a good 30 outa whats left when done.  |
" Choose Life "
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02-03-2007, 06:53 PM
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Uncle Remus
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Lakeville Ma.
Posts: 14,773
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Tick Tock ,Tick Tock
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"A beach is a place where a man can feel he's the only soul in the world that's real"
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02-03-2007, 06:56 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
Posts: 8,592
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ProfessorM
Tick Tock ,Tick Tock
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Ya P. i shoulda listened. Live an learn.  |
" Choose Life "
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02-04-2007, 10:40 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Monmouth Co, NJ
Posts: 90
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I'M DONE !!!
Are we posting pics or do you all want it to be a surprise???
Patrick
Last edited by PatrickD; 02-04-2007 at 11:20 AM..
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02-04-2007, 11:43 AM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
Posts: 8,592
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickD
I'M DONE !!!
Patrick
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Goes ahead, rub it in. |
" Choose Life "
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02-04-2007, 12:31 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Here and There Seasonally
Posts: 5,985
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I'm where JPI was yesterday, wood all spun and machined waiting for sealer. Put'em on the back burner so's I could get something done for PlugFest. PlugFest plugs are in primer  Shakin' it boss, I'm shakin' it!  |
He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
Thomas Paine
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02-04-2007, 12:54 PM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,204
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PatrickD
I'M DONE !!!
Are we posting pics or do you all want it to be a surprise???
Patrick
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Lets See'em.......I need a fix.
I got 6 completely done.....the rest are waiting for epoxy......hoping to have them done by the end of the month.......Got a few other things on the burner right now |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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02-04-2007, 05:11 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Fork
Posts: 2,260
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I have mine all painted and ready for hardware but i'm out of belly gromits so i'm going to wait till plugfest to get some.I'm also working on a few for the plugfest and for diggers auction.  |
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02-04-2007, 05:19 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southern Connecticut
Posts: 194
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Ready to Paint
Hope to have all these done by within the next 2 weeks. I never realized how much work a 30+ run would be! Would have been much harder without my Professor M cutting tool!!
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02-06-2007, 09:17 AM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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WOW...  |
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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02-06-2007, 03:35 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
Posts: 8,592
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sealed another 15, if we get thru this we need to get shirts with
"I SURVIVED MOASS",on the front,
and "GLAD I'M NOT A COMMERCIAL BUILDER", on the back.
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" Choose Life "
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02-06-2007, 03:48 PM
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Who stole my fish???
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 290
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Patrick,
My favorite color... ROOTBEER! . At least that's what I call it.  |
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02-06-2007, 04:01 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: too far from the water
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absotively!!!
Quote:
Originally Posted by justplugit
sealed another 15, if we get thru this we need to get shirts with
"I SURVIVED MOASS",on the front,
and "GLAD I'M NOT A COMMERCIAL BUILDER", on the back.
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Still not sure i will survive..   |
I might be small.... but I'm slow.
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02-06-2007, 04:32 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: plymouth,ma
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I don't know how you guys do it. 30 is a ton of plugs. Can't wait to see all the pictures once you're all done.
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02-12-2007, 02:44 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: scituate ma
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I'm still in, hopefully getting them all clear coated this weekend.
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02-12-2007, 08:22 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southern Connecticut
Posts: 194
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I can see the finish line. 
I just cant wait to start working on a different plug.
This is the 2nd batch of 12 to come out of the "Oven"
I have 10 more to epoxy and thats it!!  |
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02-06-2007, 09:00 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Southern Connecticut
Posts: 194
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Quote:
Originally Posted by justplugit
sealed another 15, if we get thru this we need to get shirts with
"I SURVIVED MOASS",on the front,
and "GLAD I'M NOT A COMMERCIAL BUILDER", on the back.
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Good idea... Maybe even bumper stickers that just say "31" |
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02-06-2007, 10:40 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodbuster
Good idea... Maybe even bumper stickers that just say "31"
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LMAO. |
" Choose Life "
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02-07-2007, 12:57 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chatham, NJ
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Maybe even bumper stickers that just say "31"
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Tobias,
Just thinking - since bigrock dropped out - are we still building 31? Is someone replacing him or will we just do 30?
I can't believe I said "just" 30!  |
Arne
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02-07-2007, 02:13 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2000
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PLEASE READ THE FIRST POST!!!
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02-10-2007, 09:17 PM
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