Bush Rant

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Actually Spence is correct. I'm about as conservative as you can get on most issues and I have had it with him. He has let all facets of his supporters down. Funny thing is I don't think it was intentional. I believe he is an honest guy tyring to please everyone but delegating too much power to his advisors. However, that is the problem, you can't please everyone.

i agree.

[Redsoxticket]

The anti-christ and his followers are still drinking the kool-aid for their admittance to failings will never be recognized by them.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

.but remember...he was chosen by GOP insiders for expressly this reason!

-spence

Bingo.

you and me is like beer and pretzels.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by JohnR

How about a definition for "Still Drinking the Kool-Aid"?

Yep Liberals love the kool-aid...

[Nebe]

Skip do you still believe in Santa?

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Skip do you still believe in Santa?

Do you still believe Iraq never had or used WMD's?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Do you still believe Iraq never had or used WMD's?

Skip, I'd delete this post quick like before anyone sees it.

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

Skip, I'd delete this post quick like before anyone sees it.

-spence

I guess gassing Kurds doesnt count as Iraq having or using WMD's right?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I guess gassing Kurds doesnt count as Iraq having or using WMD's right?

That's not the point, your previous post was a non sequitur.

-spence

[tattoobob]

What it is, Is they had the WMD'S when Bush sr. went to war, when Jr went to look for them they found nothing. because there were none. He wanted to succeed were his old man couldn't and guess what he isn't doing any better than Dad, He lied and now us as tax payers are paying the price and will be until we retire and then some.

["uffah!!"]

Well, I can help myself, so I guess you have to "Support Bacteria!-they're the only culture some people have"!!!!!And I don't mean us Publicans!!

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Do you still believe Iraq never had or used WMD's?

I believe they had them, because we gave Iraq the WMD's when they went to war with Iran, which was highly illegal. That is why the pentagon was so sure they had them.

I dont gove a flying F- if they used them or not over there, the fact is that they were never going to use them 'over here', and that was the battle cry- that Iraq was going to attack us with 'WMD's'

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I believe they had them, because we gave Iraq the WMD's when they went to war with Iran, which was highly illegal. That is why the pentagon was so sure they had them.

I dont gove a flying F- if they used them or not over there, the fact is that they were never going to use them 'over here', and that was the battle cry- that Iraq was going to attack us with 'WMD's'

I dont think anyone thought Iraq would attack us, the whole WMD thing was mainly that we knew Saddam had ties to Al Queada and Hamas and could very easily hand over WMD's to those terroist groups. And Bush beileved, as do I, that that was a strong possiblty and we just couldnt take that chance in a post 9/11 world. I guess you trusted Saddam to be a good little dictator and behave. I for one would'nt have taken that chance, Especially after 9/11. Who in thier right mind would have!?

Now we have a very simalur situation with Iran. We know they are trying to get a Nuke, they have siad they will destroy Isreal and we all know they have major ties to Al Queada. I doubt Iran will attack the U.S. but they certainly have the potential to destroy our allies and hand over weapons to Al Queada, who could use them to attack us. Do you trust that nut job in Iran to have wmd's? Given your stance on Iraq i can only assume you will not support any military action in Iran if it should come to that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I dont think anyone thought Iraq would attack us, the whole WMD thing was mainly that we knew Saddam had ties to Al Queada and Hamas and could very easily hand over WMD's to those terroist groups.

Actually, no we didn't...

What's been made clear after the fact is that the Administration had no credible evidence linking Saddam and Bin Laden, yet for some reason Skip believes it's true.

Can someone do the math here?

Now we have a very simalur situation with Iran. We know they are trying to get a Nuke

Actually we don't. We don't have any evidence that proves they are working on a nuke. There is much evidence that's suspect, but nothing conclusive.

This isn't to say Iran isn't a threat...but it certainly calls into question the motives of those sounding the alarm. So far their track record of success is quite poor.

-spence

[Skip N]

Here's some rather interesting stuff to read...

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=092503F

[spence]

Not really...all he's doing is stating rumor and unchecked statements as hard facts to get you to believe there's something of substance.

Skip...are you listening?

Every US Government group tasked with investigating this issue has come up completely cold...nothing...nada...zip...zilch.

The stuff from your tap is the Kool-Aid, the stuff in the pitcher in your fridge is water...

Time for a little switcheraroo.

-spence

[Skip N]

Ok so you say those are all lies and made up. How about some new stuff. Tons of documents captured in Afganastan and Iraq have recently been released and more are to be followed. Here's some more for ya...

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...ieqmb.asp?pg=1

Of course this is from the weekly standard so i'm sure its all propaganda. But facts are facts. Some interesting stuff in this atricle, Including Iraqs ties to Philippine terroists which i have never heard of until reading this. Interesting read if nothing else.

[bobfishgerald]

The military plan to invade Iraq was inspired in conception and proved to be brilliant in execution. The civilian plan for holding and occupying Iraq has proven to be a tremendous failure. It shows a squandering of a victory that, I think, is hard to comprehend - so great is the magnitude.

I believe there is no greater example of the absolute inept nature of the Bush administration than talk of some sort of military option for dealing with Iran before figuring their way out of Iraq.

If having this viewpoint makes me a liberal I will live with that title.

I believe we have the finest armed forces any country in history has enjoyed. We, as a country, owe them better. Sending them into Iraq to take care of Saddam was like sending a team of Lipizzaner stallions to drag a broken down cart filled with rotten manure out of a filthy slum.

Using half-baked theories about what Saddam might have done had we not invaded is wrong. It is like using the comely nature of Ms. Lewinsky’s lips to explain the mistake that lead to impeachment hearings that proceeded the ones they are talking about for Mr. Bush. Although in that case we were talking about a ruined dress. In this one, a ruined country.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Of course this is from the weekly standard so i'm sure its all propaganda. But facts are facts.

Yep and in these new documents the only thing the facts demonstrate is that a person reported hearing some of this second or third hand from a single unconfirmed source.

Sort of like the info they foolishly relied upon from Curveball

On it's own it has little value other than it give conspiracy folks something else to write about. OH BUT WHAT IF!!!

More importantly, it adds nothing to the argument that Bush were justified to remove Saddam because of links to al Qaida as we do know for a fact that the Administration didn't have the intel to support it's claims to the link before the decision was made.

And Bob, I'm with you. Even though our troops have signed up for whatever mission they are sent on...they are still our brothers and sisters and should be treated with much more respect.

Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and all have pissed on our troops like they are their little toy army, and the likes of Skippy can't seem to get why some are so outraged

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by bobfishgerald

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I believe there is no greater example of the absolute inept nature of the Bush administration than talk of some sort of military option for dealing with Iran before figuring their way out of Iraq.

i think the exit plan for iraq is to march into iran.. time will tell.

[Raven]

i think it all went to Syrian banks
and for the favor....

they agreed to hide the WMD's

and Nebe, i think it's a great exit strategy.

[stripersnipr]

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda". As bad as he may be he is better than anything they have had to offer (according to the electoral process).

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda". As bad as he may be he is better than anything they have had to offer (according to the electoral process).

And I should add "misrepresented" facts (to put it nicely).

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda". As bad as he may be he is better than anything they have had to offer (according to the electoral process).

Hate to break it to you bub, but it is a trait we libs have.. its called independant thought. You should try it sometime.

Staying the course is dandy, but when the wind shifts, and the tide changes, the ship will surely run aground

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Hate to break it to you bub, but it is a trait we libs have.. its called independant thought. You should try it sometime.

Staying the course is dandy, but when the wind shifts, and the tide changes, the ship will surely run aground

Okay Bub, But Thank God most of us have a higher level of independent thougt than you do. Bub.

[Nebe]

since you support him, can you pay off my share of the $9 trillion he has rung up on our countries credit card?? please?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Look back at the original post that started this thread and you will see this basis of the Liberal platform in America today: misunderstood. misintrepreted facts that degenerate to the true "I hate Bush Agenda".

What pray tell narcotics are you on boy?

I didn't even know there was a "liberal platform" to be honest. Are the liberals running for something?

Certainly there are liberal ideals and the vast majority of self described Conservatives I know even admit to holding a few.

The attack on Bush isn't about the man, it's about the arrogant and incompetent policy. Always has been...and it's gotten so bad that even his own people are turning en masse.

A bag of rotten carrots could manage this country better than the current crew in the Oval Office. And you think they got there by accurately representing the facts and issues?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

-spence

[Slipknot]

I'm an independant



btw, nebe, I do believe there already was some national debt before W took office, so ya can't blame him for all 9 trillion dollars

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

since you support him, can you pay off my share of the $9 trillion he has rung up on our countries credit card?? please?

Supporting the President of our country during a war, shame on me. Are you talking about the 9 trillion $ that every "baby, homeless, poor, single moms/dads", are required to pay for the war on terror by those vile Republicans? Or was that one of those Liberal "untruths" when stated by a Republican is called a "Lie"?

Please note I haven't resorted resorted to calling anyone an "idiot" for disagreeing with my point of view.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

What pray tell narcotics are you on boy?

I didn't even know there was a "liberal platform" to be honest. Are the liberals running for something?

Certainly there are liberal ideals and the vast majority of self described Conservatives I know even admit to holding a few.

The attack on Bush isn't about the man, it's about the arrogant and incompetent policy. Always has been...and it's gotten so bad that even his own people are turning en masse.

A bag of rotten carrots could manage this country better than the current crew in the Oval Office. And you think they got there by accurately representing the facts and issues?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

-spence

Well maybe if you had nominated a candidate that at least matched the standard of a rotten bag of carrots you could control the House and Senate and Whitehouse and advance the Liberal Agenda that you dont think exists. Want to change the country? Win an election. Whining is not an effective politcal strategy.