Mass Striper decline numbers from NOAA

[JohnR]

Go back to 2006 limits recreational and commercial THEN cut back another 33%

Rec -v- Comm is just rearranging the deck chairs.

[BasicPatrick]

The government has asked if you will attend the State House Hearing and have your say. If you think this one is pre determined you are uninformed. The State House is watching this one closely. Posting here means NOTHING. Show up and be heard or shut up because Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Blah Blah fcukin Blah...whine, whine, whine

Show up and be part of the solution...make some noise.

[fatcow]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

The government has asked if you will attend the State House Hearing and have your say. If you think this one is pre determined you are uninformed. The State House is watching this one closely. Posting here means NOTHING. Show up and be heard or shut up because Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Blah Blah fcukin Blah...whine, whine, whine

Show up and be part of the solution...make some noise.

This is what its all about. If ur crying crash show up to speak. Ill be there But im not crying crash. I want to see first hand what everyone thinks. Ill try to video tape a little bit on my iphone.

[Redsoxticket]

Here is the place and time.

Room B-1 in the Statehouse Bldg on Beacon Hill in Boston on Feb 28th at 11:00 AM.
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[piemma]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

Here is the place and time.

Room B-1 in the Statehouse Bldg on Beacon Hill in Boston on Feb 28th at 11:00 AM.
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They set the time for the GD meeting so a working guy can't get there. Tuesday morning at 11:00 AM? WTF!!!!

[stripermaineiac]

Well I'm still tryin to get Monday off to make it down to the meeting. sometimes I think schedule the meetings so working people can't get to them like they do up here.
Cow hunter you make me chuckle. I heard it yrs ago. We have no resident fish then the next sentance you can catch them everywhere all season long all day long in your back yard. LOL Funny.I've chased the Striped Bass scince back in the 60's. The only other time we had it this bad up here was late 70's early 80's.The outer Cape guys were hammering the fish. Trust me I went down an got a few myself.But up here there were very few fish. The boats did ok but from shore forget it.The same signs are here now. This time the fish are off Jearsy an the EEZ fish which were there back then too just most didn't know it so they weren't fished for. They were found a few yrs back during the winter Tuna bight on their wintering grounds.The internet an charter advertisements let the cat out of the bag.People still keep taking moments out of history an saying thats how it was or is everywhere.Well I still fish all the old places an see fewer an fewer fish all around an hear the same as the early 80's from a small handfull.
We're not saying shut it all down but it does need to be slowed down a load.1fish 36 in ok . Comm cut back 25%30%50% whatever it takes. Slot limits really don't do much more than put fish in the hands of the beginners an keep more people fishing as beginners seldom catch large fish.20 to 26 in 20 to 28 in ok. but to just moan n groan so nothing is done is sad. You don't like the ideas come up with some better ones. but just to say nothing is wrong is stupid an rediculous.there is a problem so lets see who can show up on Monday. I live in Maine an I'm gonna try my best to get off from work.It's important to do something.

[CowHunter]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

Well I'm still tryin to get Monday off to make it down to the meeting. sometimes I think schedule the meetings so working people can't get to them like they do up here.
Cow hunter you make me chuckle. I heard it yrs ago. We have no resident fish then the next sentance you can catch them everywhere all season long all day long in your back yard. LOL Funny.I've chased the Striped Bass scince back in the 60's. The only other time we had it this bad up here was late 70's early 80's.The outer Cape guys were hammering the fish. Trust me I went down an got a few myself.But up here there were very few fish. The boats did ok but from shore forget it.The same signs are here now. This time the fish are off Jearsy an the EEZ fish which were there back then too just most didn't know it so they weren't fished for. They were found a few yrs back during the winter Tuna bight on their wintering grounds.The internet an charter advertisements let the cat out of the bag.People still keep taking moments out of history an saying thats how it was or is everywhere.Well I still fish all the old places an see fewer an fewer fish all around an hear the same as the early 80's from a small handfull.
We're not saying shut it all down but it does need to be slowed down a load.1fish 36 in ok . Comm cut back 25%30%50% whatever it takes. Slot limits really don't do much more than put fish in the hands of the beginners an keep more people fishing as beginners seldom catch large fish.20 to 26 in 20 to 28 in ok. but to just moan n groan so nothing is done is sad. You don't like the ideas come up with some better ones. but just to say nothing is wrong is stupid an rediculous.there is a problem so lets see who can show up on Monday. I live in Maine an I'm gonna try my best to get off from work.It's important to do something.

You can Chuckle all u want. I never complain about the lack of fish, not a problem. I can understand the confusion but its rather simple. The resident fish that were are no more once the slot limits came in effect. Bay Run was different than the ocean run, different fish. The ocean run in the spring and fall has been phenominal in my homewaters the last few years. We are in the middle of the migratory zone and have plenty of bait. My case and point try and convince ANYBODY in my state that the stripers are on the brink of collapse and they will look at you cross eyed, to go out there and catch 20,30,40, 60, 100 plus fish depending on the run?? The bottom fish guys hate the bass cause they eat all the bottom fish. Coming from Maine you have no idea how stupid it is here. Manage Your Bait first. You gotta deal with the 1000's of lobster pots that riddle the shoreline also. By the way my wife got her first bass mouth of saco and dozens more...Im all for conservation, I do charity for it and lay out money. BUT the mass com season closed in record short season? Convince those guys the bass are all dead? Convince the guys in VA, Maryland, MD, DE, and NY. THe ri boat guys? Its a different time, to catch thousands of bass a season I dont see an imenent collapse, I see things wrong, different factors, but to catch bass on ANY given day? Some people just have to learn to adapt to the situation. Or wait perched on a rock until the fish show one year. I move my boat in to 3 different slips in spring alone to stay cose to (A) Bait, (B) Fish... The catching is easy, Bait is usually the struggle.... I would be more than Happy to educate some of the StripersForever guys and even steer them the right path for a mutually better cause. I dont hide who I am...

[Chunkah]

Well VT sorry if my "compretention" isn't the best but my spelling is certainly better than yours. I've seen you do nothing but talk about how great the numbers of fish are, but in many areas I fish this isn't the overall feeling.
Good luck out there...
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[Typhoon]

I was going to say make Massachusetts a residents only commercial fishery.

Chatham is ridiculous.

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

Andrew,check with the ACLU,residency laws are basically illegal,you can not deny a person the right to work.that is why most states have nonresident licenses.

[Sea Dangles]

Well I am a resident and I can't get a fluke permit while others can. RI has no problem telling you where to go. MA is just greedy. Hope your winter has been fun John.Sebastian soon.

[angler229]

Originally Posted by Typhoon

I was going to say make Massachusetts a residents only commercial fishery.

Chatham is ridiculous.

I was a a fisheries meeting were this was discussed. The explanation is they can't legally do it do to labor laws. But the option is there to make a non-resident license cost up to 5 times what a resident license cost. That might negate the benefit for a lot of out state part timers.

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

Chris,i am pretty sure no more fluke license are being issued in Mass.just because a state doesn't issue a license doesn't make it legal.if you want to fight it there are numerous cases were residency laws have been fought and won. i have been thru it twice once in Fla and once in LI.a call to the ACLU will make most towns or states comply to your right to work.winter has been disappointing snow wise,but skiing has been good overall.let me know if you get up this way in March

[MAKAI]

Getting back to the thread for a moment,

Few of us seem to be able to see past the fish that are swimming around now and wrap our heads around the real concern.

THE THING THAT WILL BITE US ALL IN THE ASS IS THE WAY THE CHESAPEAKE WITH ITS MYCO, HYPOXIA ,POLLUTION ETC. IS PUTTING A BIG HURT ON THE JUVENILE BASS.

Present anomaly of last years YOY excluded, it takes 3times the biomass of bass to produce the same YOY it normally would take. So does it not make sense to keep more eggs in the water now ? The Chesapeake isn't going to be cleaning up anytime soon.

This is the real 800 pound gorilla in the room. Not our incessant childish whining of who gets to keep or not keep fish.

[BasicPatrick]

Originally Posted by Typhoon

I was going to say make Massachusetts a residents only commercial fishery.

Chatham is ridiculous.

that is a valid allocation argument but will not save one striped bass...the quota is the quota and oho bye the way it is not enough fish to really matter in the numbers....we need real conservation and that means an across the board mortality cut

[eelskimmer]

Last Tuesday I posted if anyone wants
to carpool to split parking fee in Boston
to send me a PM. I live in Dedham
and we can do four people. Any takers???

[Raider Ronnie]

You guys bitching on favor should either show up at the state house or shut the #^&#^&#^&#^& up !
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[MAKAI]

See what I mean.
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[BasicPatrick]

I'd love to know if those on this thread have communicated their opinions to any MA based organizations that they belong to?

I'd also like to know if anyone is attending the hearing at the State House next week.

My Point is that Democracy is not a spectator sport.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by BasicPatrick

I'd love to know if those on this thread have communicated their opinions to any MA based organizations that they belong to?

I'd also like to know if anyone is attending the hearing at the State House next week.

My Point is that Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Can't go to the hearing because of work, but I've already sent out a few emails and left some voicemails to politicians in my district. I'll update if I ever hear back.

[stripermaineiac]

Got a funeral to go to at 10 so no can do. ist damn one on my day off too.Bites