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12-16-2010, 07:49 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
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Goldenrod Foundation
Way to go I Team !!!!!! Google these people .. They are on Facebook too .. They are trying to close Plymouth Long Beach,where thier summer home is, under the guise of being bird lovers . They sell calenders and ask for tax deductible donations to raise funds to shut down the beach . Only Plymouth Long Beach where there summer home is .
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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12-16-2010, 07:58 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
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This foundation is 3 people ,,, San Francisco millionare Cate Muther , her husband Dennis Aftergut,and Scott Heckler who is in report . scammers .. here's the facebook page ..
Welcome to Facebook
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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12-16-2010, 08:44 AM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
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I'm really tweaked over two things by this topic.
One, the seemingly optical rectumitis suffering people that will go through such means to exclude others, and second, the fact that we had a previous topic on this that has gone missing that I cannot find.
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12-16-2010, 09:49 AM
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Registered User
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Location: Easton, MA
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Nice response to them on Facebook, Tagger. They've been trying to do this for about 10 years. Fortunately, it doesn't seem like they've gotten very far with it.
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Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
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12-16-2010, 10:20 AM
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Registered User
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Location: Warwick RI,02889
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where is Taggers post ......
I wanted to tell them to f themselves & their money ..but there wall leads right to the calender
Last edited by Saltheart; 12-16-2010 at 12:12 PM..
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ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE !!!
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12-16-2010, 10:29 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Brockton,Ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Clammer
where is Taggers post ......
I wanted to tell them to f uck themselves & their money ..but there wall leads right to the calender
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Discussions ,,, New ideas for facebook post ...
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
(dob 4-21-07)
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12-16-2010, 10:38 AM
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Registered User
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Location: Marshfield, Ma
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I think if there were no birds left on that beach, that person would still fight to have the access closed off. I'd be willing to bet they are more interested in privacy than helping the bird population (I could be wrong though).
From the sounds of it, they are trying to stick everyone in the  with "their golden rod"
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"I know a taxidermy man back home. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him!"
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12-16-2010, 10:47 AM
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Not Jack
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Other Cape
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Disgusting. Everyone should voice their opinions on Tagger's FB post.
I can respect those who fight wholeheartedly for conservation (even though I'm convinced that those fenced-off areas are just coyote buffets. judging by the tracks I've seen), but this is just a sad attempt by a few elitists to keep an entire stretch of land to themselves.
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12-16-2010, 10:49 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
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Location: Brockton,Ma
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nice back up on facebook Kevin .. Make note that Goldenrod house pristinely located on the point of Long Beach is Tax Exempt .. Yup they pay no taxes ,, another scam of being a non-profit foundation .. Makes you wonder if this is the only case of this ..
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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12-16-2010, 12:16 PM
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Registered User
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Location: Cumberland,RI
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Imagine being so selfish! I got to figure these people are in for a "hot foot" treatment when they pass on into the afterlife!
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Saltheart
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12-16-2010, 06:41 PM
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Registered User
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Welcome to Facebook PBAC facebook page
Plymouth Beach For All Coalition (PBAC) is the official name of the group fighting for access on Plymouth Beach. The MBBA is helping all we can and standing behind them 100%
Sorry Westportmania I meant to copy the picture not quote you.
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12-16-2010, 07:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum Crazy
Welcome to Facebook PBAC facebook page
Plymouth Beach For All Coalition (PBAC) is the official name of the group fighting for access on Plymouth Beach. The MBBA is helping all we can and standing behind them 100%
Sorry Westportmania I meant to copy the picture not quote you.
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12-16-2010, 11:10 PM
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Plymouth beach for all (except for non-Plymouth residents, unless I am missing something in the orv sticker application. Just sayin.)
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12-17-2010, 05:56 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
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Location: Brockton,Ma
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Quote:
Originally Posted by influx99
Plymouth beach for all (except for non-Plymouth residents, unless I am missing something in the orv sticker application. Just sayin.)
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I don't use this beach .. If this happens there could start a trend evrywhere. If it hasn't already .
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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12-17-2010, 06:19 AM
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Influx that is very true. It is a resident only beach but precedence can steamroll down the coast. What happens in Plymouth can have a huge effect on what happens everywhere. We can not allow people like this to take our access away.
If Goldenfraud wins this battle just think of how many whack jobs will come out of the woodwork and start suing your town and your beach. They have taken enough already.
* Goldenrod wants to shut down the beach to ALL human activity. It is only a resident only beach for a drive on permit. Anyone can walk on. If they get their way nobody will be allowed on that beach.
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12-17-2010, 06:38 AM
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...and if you think that is bad check out this article. It seems that non-profit organizations do not have to pay the lawyers even when they lose because of the ESA. Essentially we are paying for our own demise. The lawyers win either way.
Environmental Lawsuits Rake in Billions for Lawyers | NowPublic News Coverage
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"It's not about the fish, it's about fishing for the fish. The fish is gravy."
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12-17-2010, 09:23 AM
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Registered User
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more like GoldenNIMBYrod foundation, tax exempt part is unbelievable on top of everything else, this situation as far as beach access goes has to be the worst yet, if I was a Plymouth taxpayer this would be the deathmatch 
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12-17-2010, 10:07 AM
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Registered User
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Location: On the Island
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That beautiful wrap around deck on their "personal" property is brand spanking new. I wonder how much that disturbed the birds while it was being built. They also do not want boats coming near or landing at the point. They say the wake from the boats disturbs the birds. They are out of control NUTS! When confronted they stumble and grasp at straws. They are bigots, they only want people on their side to post on their page. LMAO they recently asked for pictures of shorebirds for a new calendar. I had pics of a bird I rescued from being beat in the surf, taking shelter from the wind against my cooler. They didn't pick mine, must have been the coexistance thing stopping them.
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12-17-2010, 01:01 PM
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Retired Surfer
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sunset Grill
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Drive out to Saquish and see what the residents do to the fencing the bird freaks put up. Kindling wood is one their favorites uses.
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Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
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12-17-2010, 02:40 PM
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I am not saying preserving access is not the most important issue shore fishermen face. I hate how hard it is to access many areas. I just find it ironic that the organization is called Plymouth beach for all when it is resident-only for orv permits. We all know that without vehicle access, in particular parking, the beach can be called "public" but that's really pretty disingenuous is only residents are allowed. Just a gripe I have with MA beaches in general. It's only a step away from what these whack jobs want to do, if you think about it. It's all about limiting access.
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12-17-2010, 03:31 PM
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Registered User
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Location: On the Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by influx99
I am not saying preserving access is not the most important issue shore fishermen face. I hate how hard it is to access many areas. I just find it ironic that the organization is called Plymouth beach for all when it is resident-only for orv permits. We all know that without vehicle access, in particular parking, the beach can be called "public" but that's really pretty disingenuous is only residents are allowed. Just a gripe I have with MA beaches in general. It's only a step away from what these whack jobs want to do, if you think about it. It's all about limiting access.
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In this case the "FOR ALL" means Shorebirds, Wildlife, Reasearch Workers, Dogs and humans living (or playing) in coexistance. Plymouth beach could not handle the influx of vehicles should it be open to the public. Letting residents only drive the beach is no different than letting "fishermen only" drive the beach and that is what many of them are, especially at night.
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12-21-2010, 01:51 PM
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Registered User
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The decision came down in favor of Plymouth Beach. PLYMOUTH WON AGAIN. It is not over but this is good news. I will post more when I see something in writing.
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"It's not about the fish, it's about fishing for the fish. The fish is gravy."
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12-21-2010, 02:04 PM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Plum Crazy
The decision came down in favor of Plymouth Beach. PLYMOUTH WON AGAIN. It is not over but this is good news. I will post more when I see something in writing.
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I've been waiting to hear, rumor mill was something might break by end of last week. Thanks for the update - keep it coming.
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12-22-2010, 04:42 AM
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Hydro Orientated Lures
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yup ..
PLYMOUTH — A long-awaited ruling by an administrative judge has upheld the management plan that allows off-road vehicles on Plymouth Long Beach.
Magistrate David Hoover’s recommended decision, released Tuesday, finds no merit in Goldenrod Foundation’s claims that the use of off-road vehicles on the beach constitutes a “take” of endangered species.
The ruling would maintain the town’s policy of allowing off-road vehicles onto the outer portion of the three-mile beach after protected piping plovers have fledged in early summer.
Goldenrod Foundation challenged the plan, claiming it did not adequately protect the plovers or roseate terns, another protected species.
Hoover heard testimony on Goldenrod’s challenge to the beach management plan last summer. His ruling found the challenge unsupported by meaningful or competent evidence.
The ruling also questions the motives of Goldenrod founder Kate Muther, who owns a private home on the beach and spends part of her summers there.
See the Midweek edition of the Old Colony Memorial for the complete story
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Belcher Goonfoock (retired)
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12-22-2010, 02:12 PM
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Registered User
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Location: Hanover, MA
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Trouble in Paradise?
From Wicked Local 3 Hours ago. Looks like a small problem at Goldenrod
The whole thing was a scam' Hecker said as he left the Goldenrod Cottage for the last time. 'We all knew there was no meaningful evidence.'
'Ya, but we expected a little bit of COMPETENT evidence!! That's why we fired your A$$!' Muther could be heard yelling from the window.
'I did all I could for those mean, ignorant, selfish snakes.' Hecker mumbled under his breath.
'I can hear you. And I must say, I agree with everything except where you said you did all you could. Now leave! Go do nothing for somebody else!'
And that's how it ended.
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12-22-2010, 02:31 PM
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Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
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Quote:
Originally Posted by massgc
From Wicked Local 3 Hours ago. Looks like a small problem at Goldenrod
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Link PLEEEEZE 
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12-22-2010, 02:35 PM
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12-22-2010, 02:43 PM
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That is a quote in the comments section. WOW!!!! Oh man I gotta know if this is true! 
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12-22-2010, 05:16 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
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Location: Billerica, Ma.
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This is great news, now the town of Plymouth should sue them to get all there wasted money back
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