Detriot

[spence]

I remember the first time I went to Detroit probably mid 1990s. Couldn't believe all the bombed out buildings. Manufacturing left followed by the people.

Glad you're enjoying it though.
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[JohnR]

i think it is a shame and feel sorry for the current & former people from Detroit.

Years of bad management, industry, me me me constituencies, graft, and politicians (could group them as one) have brought on this sorrow - in more places than just Detroit.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnR

i think it is a shame and feel sorry for the current & former people from Detroit.

Years of bad management, industry, me me me constituencies, graft, and politicians (could group them as one) have brought on this sorrow - in more places than just Detroit.

Yes, we can look at the many pieces that make a great city and point out how this that and the other caused the downfall. But we can also look at the whole. In totality, the city is the people. The people determine the greatness or poorness of the city. It is the people who must ultimately decide who will manage and in what way, whether industry and the entire market will be free to operate in a profitable and competitive way or be strapped with constrictive regulations, burdensome taxes, and crony partnerships with politicians that drive out competitors and entrap the citizens in one-dimensional and shrinking choices. It is the people who must build safe communities with common values rather than divisive tactics which drive out the productive who don't fit majority cultural norms. And it is the people who must ultimately take the blame for the destruction of one of the greatest cities in the world.

But when the people are persuaded to follow an agenda that promises to free them of the responsibility to be great, or even adequate, then all is turned upside down. They then choose to follow a path which not only strips them of responsibility, but herds them into a dependency which cannot sustain itself.

And when the people of a country does the same, it will suffer the same fate.

[Raider Ronnie]

Amen !







QUOTE=detbuch;1006973]Yes, we can look at the many pieces that make a great city and point out how this that and the other caused the downfall. But we can also look at the whole. In totality, the city is the people. The people determine the greatness or poorness of the city. It is the people who must ultimately decide who will manage and in what way, whether industry and the entire market will be free to operate in a profitable and competitive way or be strapped with constrictive regulations, burdensome taxes, and crony partnerships with politicians that drive out competitors and entrap the citizens in one-dimensional and shrinking choices. It is the people who must build safe communities with common values rather than divisive tactics which drive out the productive who don't fit majority cultural norms. And it is the people who must ultimately take the blame for the destruction of one of the greatest cities in the world.

But when the people are persuaded to follow an agenda that promises to free them of the responsibility to be great, or even adequate, then all is turned upside down. They then choose to follow a path which not only strips them of responsibility, but herds them into a dependency which cannot sustain itself.

And when the people of a country does the same, it will suffer the same fate.[/QUOTE]
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[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Years of bad management, industry, me me me constituencies, graft, and politicians (could group them as one) have brought on this sorrow - in more places than just Detroit.

The same blueprint used by Stockton and our current administration too.
It is just a matter of time where that blueprint and our national debt
will take our country to it's demise.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by justplugit

The same blueprint used by Stockton and our current administration too.
It is just a matter of time where that blueprint and our national debt
will take our country to it's demise.

Exactly my reason for starting this tread.
Our elected officials are leading us there and could give a #^&#^&#^&#^& what happens.
They have made the rules and all have made themselves rich in the process and will be fine when the #^&#^&#^&#^& hits the fan !

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Exactly my reason for starting this tread.
Our elected officials are leading us there and could give a #^&#^&#^&#^& what happens.

and those that elect them apparently...interesting to note the reactions of the usual suspects who fancy themselves far more compassionate, better educated...more capable of looking at issues in a balanced way without bias and deft at making intelligent judgments(unlike the rest of us).....bad jokes, denial, sarcasm....67 shootings and 11 murders in Chicago -IN ONE WEEKEND - "pffft...Chicago will never be Baltimore"....

when faced with the obvious fact that the policies they espouse have failed miserably in maintaining the government that they seek to grow perpetually and administer in their high minded way or in helping the people whose lives they were supposed to improve and at least maintain with a safety net but are now left in little more than ruin, squalor and human suffering...they suddenly lose their "compassion" and become quite snarky

they will never look at Detroit or the next city to fail and recognize the failure of their policies but rather simply a shortfall in funding of their brilliant policies which can't possibly be wrongheaded being built on compassion and superior intellect

it's quite insane

[Raider Ronnie]

One thing is for sure.
I don't share your warped sense of pitty for the lazy, stupid or the corrupt !!!






QUOTE=spence;1006959]I remember the first time I went to Detroit probably mid 1990s. Couldn't believe all the bombed out buildings. Manufacturing left followed by the people.

Glad you're enjoying it though.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Glad you're enjoying it though.
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We're not enjoying it Spence. We're wondering if there are lessons to be learned, and the answer (unless you are blinded by ideology) is 'yes'. The lesson is that, while a municipality isn't the same thing as a family or a business, there are still limits to how much you can borrow or spend. Detroit isn't the first city to file for bankruptcy, and they sure won't be the last. For the next 15 years, 10,000 Baby Boomers a day turn 65. 10,000 a day. They have been promised, and are expecting, perks that can never be paid for. That problem is largely due to the fact that your side has whored themselves out to labor unions. Try making that wrong.