nts to pay off unins to stop whining about Obamacare

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Wait, I'm wrong and if I want to find out go ask someone else?

It might not be perfect for everyone everywhere, but overall demand is certainly up. The challenge many companies have is finding the right skills in the right location.

-spence

Spence, seriously, go to the horse's mouth. P. is a skilled professional Machinist and will give you the right skinny.

[scottw]

he doesn't care about the facts, he just likes to bloviate.....


had to include this definition from the Urban Dictionary because it freakin' hilaroious and perfect



bloviate


To discourse at length in a pompous or boastful manner.

A key attribute to those that sell. To pretend to understand technical subject matter and sell it to others even dumber then oneself.



the problem is a lack of those "even dumber then oneself" for him to sell to

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The core problem here is the fatal flaw with capitalism. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.. This is ever so evident if we look at the last decade and the shrinking middle class. So when the poor get poorer, and I'm talking the working poor here.. The ones who bust their asses every day just to make ends meet.. These are the people who will be helped by obamacare. I don't hae time to get into it more, but I feel that we are at the peak of sustainable capitalism. Houses are expensive, food is expensive.. Everything is.. All due to the falling value of the dollar.
Am I for this idealistically? No... But realistically, the average American working an average job has been priced out of the American dream. This can help so many. And who's to say that the money they save won't be spent on other goods and boost the economy somehow.
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What is the alternative? And where has the alternative ever worked?

Why is the money deflated?

I'm actually in favor of universal healthcare but WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

Originally Posted by spence

The reason you can't find a machinist is likely because they're in demand. While lower end production has largely left the country precision manufacturing is doing quite well. Companies right now can't get enough local talent. The work is increasingly most sophisticated as well, that engineering degree is a prerequisite for many jobs.

-spence

If you want to know the truth about hiring machinists, ask Fishpart, if you want to know the truth about running a crew machinists, ask Fishpart

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, if you want to know the truth about Machinists ask Professor Moriarity
about the demand for Machinists.Unless there has been a 360 in the last year
or so it is quite the opposite of your post.

Scottw, LOL waaay to funnie.

If you want to know the truth about hiring machinists, ask Fishpart, if you want to know the truth about running a crew machinists, ask Fishpary

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I'm actually in favor of universal healthcare but WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

And that there is the irony.

-spence

[justplugit]

I'm in favor of Healthcare for the 30 million that don't have it. But to change the health care of 300 million citizens for the sake of 30 million is stupid, unless of course your a Socialist.

And no, we can't afford Obamacare. Projections show healthcare costs
will increase 5.8% annually through 2022 which will be 1% faster annually
than our projected economic growth. The CBO upped projected costs again last week.

A special program for the 30 million without insurance, including Tort Reform and
allowing Interstate Insurance would be a way to go rather than upset the whole apple cart.

A 100% change for 30% defies common sense. With all the so called "Brilliance"
of this Administration,it should certainly be able come up with a better more affordable plan
for those who don't have healthcare.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by justplugit

I'm in favor of Healthcare for the 30 million that don't have it. But to change the health care of 300 million citizens for the sake of 30 million is stupid, unless of course your a Socialist.

And no, we can't afford Obamacare. Projections show healthcare costs
will increase 5.8% annually through 2022 which will be 1% faster annually
than our projected economic growth. The CBO upped projected costs again last week.

A special program for the 30 million without insurance, including Tort Reform and
allowing Interstate Insurance would be a way to go rather than upset the whole apple cart.

A 100% change for 30% defies common sense. With all the so called "Brilliance"
of this Administration,it should certainly be able come up with a better more affordable plan
for those who don't have healthcare.

How much has it been rising at present? Same, more, less?

How is it we spend so much more per capita than other developed natoons?

Last # I saw was 49 mil from Atnea, 2011 number....

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

How much has it been rising at present? Same, more, less?

How is it we spend so much more per capita than other developed natoons?

Last # I saw was 49 mil from Atnea, 2011 number....

#1 The projection of the 5.8% included 2011 to 2022.

#2 We spend more per capita because of the advanced diagnostic and treatment
regimens we have, many used to protect the physician from law suites when
lesser cost tests etc. would be enough . Thus the need for Tort reform.

#3 Atnea just dropped out of NJ because of Obamacare so evidently they are
concerned about rising costs and less profits.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

And that there is the irony.

-spence

When we annually spend 600billion to 1 trillion more dollars than we take in receipts - yes, we can't afford it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

When we annually spend 600billion to 1 trillion more dollars than we take in receipts - yes, we can't afford it.

The irony is that I believe we spend about twice what other industrialized nations spend on health care...but we can't afford it.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

The irony is that I believe we spend about twice what other industrialized nations spend on health care...but we can't afford it.

-spence

I think it's the same with education . Truth be told we do have the best health care .... Not so much for education
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

The irony is that I believe we spend about twice what other industrialized nations spend on health care...but we can't afford it.

-spence

Who are referring to when you say "we"? Can you afford what you pay for health care? Are you going into unsustainable debt because of it? "We" can bitch about the constantly rising costs, but we pay them. If we didn't the health care industry could not exist. And who are the "we" of "other industrialized nations"? Are they individual citizens or are they governments? And are those governments spending their nations into debt?

And is the health care you get worse than what those in "other industrialized nations" get? Are "we" who pay through third party insurance or out of pocket getting worse healthcare than those in "other industrialized" nations. And if the health care that "we" who pay for it is worse, how will Obamacare make it better for us who pay?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

When we annually spend 600billion to 1 trillion more dollars than we take in receipts - yes, we can't afford it.

but John, but John....what about all of the women and children dying in the streets because they've been turned away from hospitals because they could not afford unaffordable healthcare????? surely we can afford it?????

sure we can....."YES WE CAN".....haven't you heard that increasing our debt ceiling and exploding our spending isn't really spending more money or increasing our debt (it's actually the path out of debt), it's simply paying for promises and money that we've already spent and we've already promised OBAMACARE and we're not a Banana Republic(though there are a lot of similarities currently) and we aren't deadbeats and we pay our bills or at least borrow more money to pay our bills....we need to expect to spend or need to spend whatever we have to spend to keep people moderately happy and crooks in office regardless of their actual needs, whatever figure you ascribe to healthcare cost is going to be spent by "WE" anyway right?.... so it makes much more sense to have the government provide it for everyone and do whatever it deems necessary to either pay for it, promise to pay for it or claim or arrange to pay for it at some undetermined point in the future at the same time constantly referring to it as "affordable" like everything else that they currently "pay" for....

just raise the OBAMACARE CEILING, which I believe has already been raised several times and significantly, just keep raising.....who cares???

everything appears "affordable" when you don't have a budget...or a conscience

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

but John, but John....what about all of the women and children dying in the streets because they've been turned away from hospitals because they could not afford unaffordable healthcare????? surely we can afford it?????

sure we can....."YES WE CAN".....haven't you heard that increasing our debt ceiling and exploding our spending isn't really spending more money or increasing our debt (it's actually the path out of debt), it's simply paying for promises and money that we've already spent and we've already promised OBAMACARE and we're not a Banana Republic(though there are a lot of similarities currently) and we aren't deadbeats and we pay our bills or at least borrow more money to pay our bills....we need to expect to spend or need to spend whatever we have to spend to keep people moderately happy and crooks in office regardless of their actual needs, whatever figure you ascribe to healthcare cost is going to be spent by "WE" anyway right?.... so it makes much more sense to have the government provide it for everyone and do whatever it deems necessary to either pay for it, promise to pay for it or claim or arrange to pay for it at some undetermined point in the future at the same time constantly referring to it as "affordable" like everything else that they currently "pay" for....

just raise the OBAMACARE CEILING, which I believe has already been raised several times and significantly, just keep raising.....who cares???

everything appears "affordable" when you don't have a budget...or a conscience

Since, in our great democracy, We The People are ultimately the government, or so we were once led to believe, we need to return back to each individual citizen a piece of the power we relinquished to the few folks who act as overlords. We originally gave them a few, but important, duties and left the greater responsibilities for our lives to ourselves. Since they have decided that we are not capable of fulfilling those responsibilities, and taken them from us, and showed how it can be done, we should now, having learned from them how to do it, take back those responsibilities now fully armed by the knowledge imparted to us by their superior wisdom. We can now solve our problems in the way they have showed us. We can demand, through our representatives (ha-ha) that we each can "monetize" our debt by selling individual securities (backed by the full faith and credit of our government which is ultimately We The People) to the Federal Reserve. And we can each have unlimited spending power backed by unlimited borrowing (monetizing) power (supported by annual debt ceiling raises) enabling each of us to enjoy all the fruits of whatever anyone else (if they still exist) produces. Why should we leave such power to "representatives" and those who supposedly serve us (for our own good) if we can keep it for ourselves.