95 year old hero

[Saltheart]

A lot of people are wondering who's side Obama is on. People argue if Obama or Carter is the worst of our modern day Presidents. I say Obama and Carter were equally zero effective but at least Carter was a truly moral man and no doubt about his love of America. Obama.....I have my doubts on both accounts.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

A lot of people are wondering who's side Obama is on. People argue if Obama or Carter is the worst of our modern day Presidents. I say Obama and Carter were equally zero effective but at least Carter was a truly moral man and no doubt about his love of America. Obama.....I have my doubts on both accounts.

That is good for a laugh.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That is good for a laugh.

Hmmm I think history will prove it to be quite accurate . We know recent history proves him to be the most Incompetent leader and prolific liar in recent history. Open your eyes Paul, the guys a daily contradiction of what you think he is.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

Hmmm I think history will prove it to be quite accurate . We know recent history proves him to be the most Incompetent leader and prolific liar in recent history. Open your eyes Paul, the guys a daily contradiction of what you think he is.
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So he hates his country?

Right out of McCarthy (or Alan West).

He hates his country. He is not American. He is not Christian.

Sad

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So he hates his country?

Right out of McCarthy (or Alan West).

He hates his country. He is not American. He is not Christian.

Sad

He wants to fundamentally change America into what he wants . So yes
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by buckman

He wants to fundamentally change America into what he wants . So yes
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Good point.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So he hates his country?

Right out of McCarthy (or Alan West).

He hates his country. He is not American. He is not Christian.

Sad

Paul, at least you didn't accuse him of racism. On the other hand, you're using another scare tactic--the McCarthy card.

The 95 year old did not accuse Obama of being a communist. He did not say that Obama is not a Christian. He said that he doubts that Obama loves his country. He didn't say that he hated it. There are, as Spence attests, more centrist opinions. To not love is not to hate. There is, in between, indifference or detachment or lack of passion either way.

But to throw in the McCarthy card . . . sad.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Paul, at least you didn't accuse him of racismWhere have I accused anyone of racism?. On the other hand, you're using another scare tactic--the McCarthy card.

The 95 year old did not accuse Obama of being a communist. He did not say that Obama is not a Christian. He said that he doubts that Obama loves his country. He didn't say that he hated it. There are, as Spence attests, more centrist opinions. To not love is not to hate. There is, in between, indifference or detachment or lack of passion either way.

But to throw in the McCarthy card . . . sad.

I wasn't refering to the 95 year, I was refering to Saltheart stating he thought Obama doesn't love his country and that is why I quoted yhat post. In a broader sense I was refering to the tactics of what use to be the fringe right (not much different from the tactics of the fringe left) but is now so common amongst a great % of right (such as how A. West stated a lot of Dems where communists). Obama has been called all those things I said.

I don't think that the claims of the birthers where really any different than what McCarthy did.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I wasn't refering to the 95 year, I was refering to Saltheart stating he thought Obama doesn't love his country and that is why I quoted yhat post. In a broader sense I was refering to the tactics of what use to be the fringe right (not much different from the tactics of the fringe left) but is now so common amongst a great % of right (such as how A. West stated a lot of Dems where communists). Obama has been called all those things I said.

I don't think that the claims of the birthers where really any different than what McCarthy did.

Sorry for my mistake of who you were referring to. But to accuse Saltheart or anybody else of McCarthyism is not so different from accusing the "great % of right" of "tactics." "McCarthyism" and "racism" are labels used to discredit opposing views and to dismiss discussion on those views. If someone says Obama is a communist, that is different than calling up for interrogation before the House Unamerican committee, or whatever it was called. It is an opinion which can be rationally discussed. And if there is some peripheral similarity between McCarthyism and saying someone is a communist, then there is a similarity between Obama's political views and communism. It may be extreme to say that he is totally and absolutely a communist, so it is also extreme to say that saying so is McCarthyism.