Very nice piece from SJ Blog on Striped bass and ASMFC

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by numbskull

The better way is to ensure a much larger spawning stock so that even mediocre years contribute meaningful fish to the population. Twice as many spawners mean twice as many offspring and double a YOY result, which goes a long way towards turning a bad year into an average year.

Sorry but it just don't work that way. There are plenty of eggs being laid every year, just look at 2011. The problem is that, given the wrong weather pattern very few of those eggs turn into fish.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

Sorry but it just don't work that way. There are plenty of eggs being laid every year, just look at 2011. The problem is that, given the wrong weather pattern very few of those eggs turn into fish.

Are you serious?

No matter how bad the conditions, some percentage of the total eggs laid turn into fish every year. If you double the number of eggs laid (by doubling the number of breeders) that same percentage results in twice as many YOY unless there is a severe limiting food shortage......which is hard to believe since larvae are very small and eat plankton.
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[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by from the (aptly named)numbskull school of fishery management

No matter how bad the conditions, some percentage of the total eggs laid turn into fish every year. If you double the number of eggs laid (by doubling the number of breeders) that same percentage results in twice as many YOY unless there is a severe limiting food shortage......which is hard to believe since larvae are very small and eat plankton.

You ass-U-me that some percentage of the total eggs will turn into fish. We don't know that, for all we know doubling, tripling or quadrupling the number of eggs will increase the YOY index by zero. We don't know what causes the failure to turn eggs into fish. But by your logic we should shut down all fishing on the hope that it will somehow increase the YOY incises.

Sorry I'm not willing to deny the pleasure of striped bass fishing to millions of fishermen, on some untested and unscientific theory.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

You ass-U-me that some percentage of the total eggs will turn into fish. We don't know that, for all we know doubling, tripling or quadrupling the number of eggs will increase the YOY index by zero. We don't know what causes the failure to turn eggs into fish. But by your logic we should shut down all fishing on the hope that it will somehow increase the YOY incises.

Sorry I'm not willing to deny the pleasure of striped bass fishing to millions of fishermen, on some untested and unscientific theory.

You are losing it, Mike, when you need to resort to insults and wild ridiculous distortions and extrapolations.

You are also losing it when you pull out the same old tired "the science isn't good enough so we shouldn't change a thing" BS......particularly after you have made such a strong claim that the entire fishery management is based on science ( which it is not).

Your postulate that more eggs will not result in more YOY is totally ridiculous unless the YOY number is determined by a single absolute limiting condition such as food supply. It is not and you should know that. Egg survival is dependent on a whole host of factors that destroy a large percentage of eggs laid.....some years more than others. Lay more eggs then more eggs make it to adulthood FOR ANY GIVEN MORTALITY RATE.

You should be familiar with all this. It is exactly what you are doing with self-serving misinformation. Spout more of it and more of it will stick.

Your agenda here is to support commercial fishing and the management process that is beholden to it. You made it clear you don't fish for bass any more, yet you are neck deep in an argument about their management on a board populated by recreational fishermen. Your bias is clear, as is ours, leave it at that rather than creating lame lies, false claims, and childish insults to cover your tracks.
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