IL unions get offered 14.5% raise, go on strike

[scottw]

Originally Posted by likwid

Politicians, like you, are 10 years behind.

You do realize when Michael Dell took Dell back over he pulled back most of their sales & support? And that was.... alot of years ago.

That t-mobile outsourcing was over a year and a half ago.

But thats not sensational is it?

Like I said, the bottom rung is still being outsourced, and helping some customer with their cellphone is, well, bottom rung.

edit: clearly you didn't bother reading your article at all, because you would notice that those who outsource get shamed (won't happen if it passes), and those who don't get perks (will happen if it passes).

you are rambling....

what you said was.."Indian call centers are slowly getting smaller and smaller, nobody wants to talk to them anymore or hear the same boring script over and over."

this is from...today

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...jobs-lost.html

there are more from the recent weeks if you'd like to be "current"....India and the Phillipines...which would dispute your claim that nobody wants to talk to them anymore and that their jobs are going away

you've wandered far from the original point which was the ridiculous wages comment by the specialist, to not make much of a point at all....

stating that those who purchase expensive (top rung) cellphones and service plans will somehow get better(top rung) service...is not really a revelation..... and it's more than just cell phone customer support

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...sourcing-india
(interesting to read why these jobs are going to India)


this is awfully funny...I only "half" read it...it's in the Huff Po...so it must be true

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/adam-a...b_3861333.html

best comment
"Pelosi told us Obamacare would create 400,000 jobs almost immediately. She didn't tell us those jobs would be in India. "

[likwid]

Wow, I didn't realize this was striped-bass.co.uk! Silly me!

So I assume you're a dirty inbred pom?

You haven't posted a single relevant article that supports your argument.
We'll just chock that up to you grasping for straws about something, once again, you have no clue or concept about.

Maybe you're a pikey?

I'll give you another chance to redeem yourself instead of flailing, show us the comparison of US based support and India support via Netpromoter scores (a globally recognized standard for scoring customer satisfaction).

Let us know when you come up with those.

[Jim in CT]

Getting back to the original point...

Yesterday, in Detroit, a judge ruled that the city can proceed with bankruptcy, leaving open the likelihood that pensions will be cut. The unions are appealing. I want to ask these union jerks, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? Not enough money exists to satisfy the pensions. Should Detroit be given a printing press so they can print their own currency? What is the friggin alternative, when there is no money left? Do the unions want to tax the remaining residents at 95%?

Then, in Illinois of all places, the liberal legislature yesterday passed a bill that would make serious cuts to pensions.

It's the beginning of the end. In the vast majority of states (certainly in Connecticut), no public employee who is a Baby Boomer or younger is going to get the pension they are expecting.

It's this simple...you cannot have more than there is. I don't know from where this greed comes from that these union members exhibit, bit I have never seen anything like it. It turns out, you can't deduct 2% of your paycheck, and have that turn into a $45,000 pension for life at age 55. The math doesn't work. The math doesn't even come close to working.

[trevier]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Getting back to the original point...

Yesterday, in Detroit, a judge ruled that the city can proceed with bankruptcy, leaving open the likelihood that pensions will be cut. The unions are appealing. I want to ask these union jerks, WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? Not enough money exists to satisfy the pensions. Should Detroit be given a printing press so they can print their own currency? What is the friggin alternative, when there is no money left? Do the unions want to tax the remaining residents at 95%?

Then, in Illinois of all places, the liberal legislature yesterday passed a bill that would make serious cuts to pensions.

It's the beginning of the end. In the vast majority of states (certainly in Connecticut), no public employee who is a Baby Boomer or younger is going to get the pension they are expecting.

It's this simple...you cannot have more than there is. I don't know from where this greed comes from that these union members exhibit, bit I have never seen anything like it. It turns out, you can't deduct 2% of your paycheck, and have that turn into a $45,000 pension for life at age 55. The math doesn't work. The math doesn't even come close to working.

good, screw him. My mom is a retired teacher who had to work 35 years before she was able to retire, this retiring after 20 years of work with 80% pay and able to save up all of your sick time,vaca time etc in able to pad your pension is BS.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by trevier

good, screw him. My mom is a retired teacher who had to work 35 years before she was able to retire, this retiring after 20 years of work with 80% pay and able to save up all of your sick time,vaca time etc in able to pad your pension is BS.

No one relishes the idea of a public servent seeing benefits cut when it's too late in their careers to adjust for that. That being said, I don't see an alternative. Nor do I buy that the union meployees are completely innocent in this, because for dsecades, they have demonized politicians who spoke the truth, and elected politicians based on the promise that the impossible benefits wouled continue. These people have been warned for 35 years that this was coming, but trhey didn't want to hear it.