Ma. commercial season

[l.i.fish.in.vt]

looks like i will be getting a motor for my kayak LOL

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by ProfessorM

One thing that needed to be addressed was more than one permit for a single boat. I know of people that will sell one permit and then go an get more with another's permit, thus 2 quotas per boat per day. I thought it was going to be one permit quota per boat, not per angler. The land bound guys are getting a raw deal but that and the weekday fishing days will definitely put a damper on a lot of guys.

AGREED...only because of a few snob fishermen that claim to be commercial for only about 20 days or so and the rest of the time they R recreational.....I am now thinking of joining "Stripers for Ever.".... the shore commercial guy will not put a dent in the striper fishery...they could never compete wih the commercial boat ....greed!!!! greed!!!! greed!!!

[tysdad115]

They should have cut the rec. take in half too. More poor "management "
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[redlite]

In regards to the regulations for shore based anglers being 2 fish i am already scrambling to determine who in the government or an attorney in order to file a lawsuit to force an injuction to this ruling as it is a biased /discriminting / exlusionary ruling.
Anyone with any advice please contact me
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[fishonnelsons]

Originally Posted by l.i.fish.in.vt

looks like i will be getting a motor for my kayak LOL

John - pretty sure Dave Lamoureaux had his yak registered so he could get a federal tuna permit.

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by redlite

In regards to the regulations for shore based anglers being 2 fish i am already scrambling to determine who in the government or an attorney in order to file a lawsuit to force an injuction to this ruling as it is a biased /discriminting / exlusionary ruling.
Anyone with any advice please contact me
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Mike I have heard this is already in the works but I forget where I read it.

Andy I think that issue has yet to be addressed and will soon. I agree 1 fish is the way to go.
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[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by fishonnelsons

John - pretty sure Dave Lamoureaux had his yak registered so he could get a federal tuna permit.

Yes he did.
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[Nebe]

http://youtu.be/u_RM8Ziib24
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[smac]

Originally Posted by tysdad115

They should have cut the rec. take in half too. More poor "management "
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I think that may be in 2015. I don't think DMF got the ball rolling in time to make it for this year. I heard 1@ 32"

I won't believe anything til its in writing.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by tysdad115

They should have cut the rec. take in half too. More poor "management "
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Absolutely. By not cutting the rec in half and raising the minimum size to 32 or 34 or even better 36, it leaves the door open for more of the this 2 at 28" BS. I don't know what planet the "management" people are on.

[tlapinski]

Originally Posted by piemma

I believe Toby's post was a "cut and paste". I do not believe he is in the business of writing statues.

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

You ain't kidding....right now his English teacher is fastening a noose in the Boiler room wondering where she went wrong

good thing he's not involved in Print media...

Originally Posted by Clammer

well Toby .you totally f u c k e d me out with all the at talk . can in be reduced to a few information full words ..

This was cut & paste information from Paul Diodati, Director of the MA Division of Marine Fisheries.

As far as the 2 fish for a shore guy versus 15 for a boat, how is that going to be determined as far as which category an angler falls into?

[angler229]

Originally Posted by tlapinski

This was cut & paste information from Paul Diodati, Director of the MA Division of Marine Fisheries.

As far as the 2 fish for a shore guy versus 15 for a boat, how is that going to be determined as far as which category an angler falls into?

Will depend on the permit they have. Generally shore guys have a rod & reel permit (2 fish) vs a boat permit (15 fish)

[BigFish]

Whats gonna stop a shore guy from getting a boat license??? How are they gonna know when he sells his drop that he got them from shore or boat? Loop hole??? I don't know just a stupid curious question?

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Whats gonna stop a shore guy from getting a boat license??? How are they gonna know when he sells his drop that he got them from shore or boat? Loop hole??? I don't know just a stupid curious question?

The fish from boat will be seasick...LOL...

Shore fishermen already have that loop hole covered

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Whats gonna stop a shore guy from getting a boat license??? How are they gonna know when he sells his drop that he got them from shore or boat? Loop hole??? I don't know just a stupid curious question?

Pretty sure your boat registration is required to get a boat license. License is for the boat and not the angler like the shore one is...at least I think that's how it works.
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[thefishingfreak]

The boat has to have a Massachusetts state commercial fishing permit and on top of that permit you get the 20dollar bass endorcement.
Like a duck stamp
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[iamskippy]

I dont understand why shore is less.
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[ProfessorM]

pretty sure it is a $30 bass endorsement. The rod and reel permit says Rod and Reel Permit on it. The comm. boat permit says Commercial Permit on it. It has boat length,name of boat, Ma/doc#, homeport, on the license. I have never had a buyer look at that info before but who knows maybe they will now. Shore guys can get a boat permit if they have a registered boat. Some years I have gotten the rod and reel permit and some years I got the boat permit, especially if someone was going to join me as a boat permit covered all on the boat and rod and reel permit did not, only I could be on the boat if comm fishing was going to take place.

[Guppy]

March 10, 2014
MarineFisheries Advisory

NEW COMMERCIAL STRIPED BASS REGULATIONS FOR 2014

The Massachusetts Marine Fisheries Advisory Commission has approved new regulations affecting the Commonwealth’s commercial striped bass fishery. The following regulations are expected to be implemented prior to the start of the 2014 season.

· Season Start Date: The new opening date is June 23. The fishery will remain open until the Division of Marine Fisheries (MarineFisheries)projects that the Commonwealth’s annual commercial striped bass quota has been landed. The 2014 quota is approximately 1.15 million pounds.

· Open Fishing Days: The new open fishing days are Mondays and Thursdays only. It is illegal to harvest striped bass for commercial purposes on all other days of the week.

· Daily Limit: The daily possession and landing limits for commercial fishermen have been lowered and are now based on the type of commercial fishing permit held:

- A 15-fish daily limit applies to fishermen issued a Commercial Lobster or Boat Permit with a Striped Bass Endorsement. Validation of a registered vessel is required to obtain a Commercial Lobster or Boat Permit. This limit applies to the permit holder regardless of the number of Striped Bass Endorsements held or trips taken in a day; it also applies to the vessel regardless of the number of Striped Bass Endorsement holders onboard or trips taken in a day.

- A 2-fish daily limit applies to fishermen issued a Commercial Individual or Rod & Reel Permit with a Striped Bass Endorsement. This limit applies to the permit holder regardless of fishing location (e.g., shore or vessel), the number of commercial Striped Bass Endorsements held, or the number of trips taken in a day. Fishermen who obtained a Commercial Individual or Rod & Reel Permit prior to this announcement may apply to upgrade to a Commercial Boat Permit; upgrades must be requested by May 15, 2014.

- Primary buyers are prohibited from purchasing more than one daily limit from a commercial fisherman regardless of the number of commercial Striped Bass Endorsements in the fisherman’s possession.

· Control Date: A control date of September 8, 2013 applies to the commercial striped bass fishery. Any person issued a new Striped Bass Endorsement after September 8, 2013 may be restricted from participating in this fishery or may be subject to different eligibility criteria than those persons who did hold a Striped Bass Endorsement on or before September 8, 2013. Future access may be based on historic landings of a vessel or person, or other criteria established by the Director. Those who obtained a new Striped Bass Endorsement after September 8, 2013 will be required to complete an affidavit acknowledging the Striped Bass Control Date for their endorsement to remain valid.

· Striped Bass Endorsement Application and Renewal Deadline: As previously notified, a March 15 deadline to apply for or apply to renew a commercial striped bass endorsement is effective this year. For 2015 and beyond, the deadline will be the last day of February.

· Tagging Program: Primary buyers of striped bass must affix a valid, MarineFisheries-issued Striped Bass ID Tag to each striped bass at the place of primary purchase and prior to transit. The tags must remain affixed to whole striped bass until the fish are processed into fillets, thereafter the tags must accompany the fillets while in possession for re-sale. Tags are to remain on the premises of retail seafood dealers or food establishments until all portions are sold, thereafter the tags must be cut into two pieces and discarded. Primary buyers will be subject to tag accountability measures following the close of the commercial striped bass season. Dealers authorized to be primary buyers of striped bass will receive, by mail, additional instructions from MarineFisheries regarding tag distribution, use, and accounting by late April.

Refer to MarineFisheries’ website for complete regulations: www.mass.gov/marinefisheries. For additional information, please contact MarineFisheries permitting staff in Boston (617-626-1520), Gloucester (978-282-0308), or New Bedford (508-990-2860).

[piemma]

So the way I read it is, if you have a boat permit you can take 15 fish a day, period. If you are a shore fisherman you can take 2 fish a day.

It doesn't matter how many permit holder are on a boat. The permit is, effectively, with the boat and so 1, 15 fish limit per boat per day.

I think that this will mitigate the commercial take to a degree as I am sure that last year there were many boats with 2 permit holders on board taking in 30 fish.

[Nebe]

Gotta pay for that $75,000 boat and the dockage and fuel somehow.
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[thefishingfreak]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Gotta pay for that $75,000 boat and the dockage and fuel somehow.
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NEBe give it a friggin rest already.
Everybody knows you don't like commercial bass fishing. So Don't do it.
No need to shat on every single thread that comes up about commercial bass.
Like it or not those are the regs.
Go on over to stripersforever and hug it out with them.

[Sea Dangles]

Nebe is actually right. I would guess a good amount of comm guys are having fun fishing and trying to make a couple of dollars doing it. I am not sure how he came up with the generic dollar amount but my guess is the majority of boats out bassing are not worth 1/3 of that price tag.I like fishing.
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[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by piemma

It doesn't matter how many permit holder are on a boat. The permit is, effectively, with the boat and so 1, 15 fish limit per boat per day.

I think that this will mitigate the commercial take to a degree as I am sure that last year there were many boats with 2 permit holders on board taking in 30 fish.

Yeah Paul you are suppose to only have 30 fish per vessel and has been like that, but no one checks. Can't leave it up to the fish truck guys to check as it is too hectic and some barely speak English. I know several that do that and that is just the tip of the iceberg for some of the cheating that goes on. Stinks if you play by the rules. Again this year the 15 fish I don't think they will be enforcing that too strictly. Probably be able to sell a few limits per boat and get away with it. Next year I hear it will be more enforced.

I think the facts that really blew my mind was that 67% of the permit holders never sold a fish last year.

[stripermaineiac]

LOL I love this. had a guy in the booth Sun complaining about the new com regs. He has a 38 ft $500,000 boat and a nice OBGYN practice an he was complaining about the limits for his commercial fishing---LOOL Practice. Shut it all down.What are there a dozen or so that realy use the com catch to feed their family an the rest to get fish for the Striper Cup or some other bragin rights. LOL it's all become just one big joke. Kill all we can an bitch all we can. Like the mess at the Canal on a moon tide. SAD SAD SADKill them till they/re gone then whine about it.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Nebe is actually right. I would guess a good amount of comm guys are having fun fishing and trying to make a couple of dollars doing it. I am not sure how he came up with the generic dollar amount but my guess is the majority of boats out bassing are not worth 1/3 of that price tag.I like fishing.
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glad you got my humor..

yes i am against comm fishing for bass.. but if its gonna happen, i want to see a decent bayman reap that reward, not the weekend warrior who has found a way to pay for his centah console..

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by stripermaineiac

LOL I love this. had a guy in the booth Sun complaining about the new com regs. He has a 38 ft $500,000 boat and a nice OBGYN practice an he was complaining about the limits for his commercial fishing---LOOL Practice. Shut it all down.What are there a dozen or so that realy use the com catch to feed their family an the rest to get fish for the Striper Cup or some other bragin rights. LOL it's all become just one big joke. Kill all we can an bitch all we can. Like the mess at the Canal on a moon tide. SAD SAD SADKill them till they/re gone then whine about it.

Amen brother.

[macojoe]

Glad I got out when I did!

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Nebe

yes i am against comm fishing for bass.. but if its gonna happen, i want to see a decent bayman reap that reward, not the weekend warrior who has found a way to pay for his centah console..

x2

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by Nebe

glad you got my humor..

yes i am against comm fishing for bass.. but if its gonna happen, i want to see a decent bayman reap that reward, not the weekend warrior who has found a way to pay for his centah console..

I am not thrilled about a commercial season on stripers.... BUT, saying a guy can't commercially fish for Bass because it is not his sole (or major) source of income is kinda... well.... BS.

What if I wanted to sell some lures part time to recoup some of my money spent on supplies? (and paid the taxes, etc...) Would that be OK? Surely it is not my full time job, but I can't see where that would be considered unethical, immoral or illegal.

And as a full disclaimer.... I have no intention or desire to commercial fish OR sell lures to make some spare Cheddar.