Geeez ,, no talk of this , Big breaking story today ..

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The mirror-image of your statement would be this...I can't believe the left is willing to sweep the deaths of 4 superb Americans under the rug, in order to preserve the reputation of our megalomaniac-in-chief.

Th etruth is somewhere between your statement and mine. I htink there are still un-answered questions. John McCain and Lindsay Graham are not right-wing fanatics, I presume they are truthful when they say we need this hearing. If it turns out that it was nothing more than a political witchhunt, hold them acountable.

The GOP picked the right guy to head these hearings.

So what have they found so far? Nothing.

I think the WH shouldn't have said anything until they were 100% clear. However if that happened people would be up in arms about the silence. With the 24/7 coverage, you're dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

And didn't Hillary say in her "what difference does it make" speach something along the lines of .... "as long as we find out who did it, why and how to prevent it from happening again".

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And didn't Hillary say in her "what difference does it make" speach something along the lines of .... "as long as we find out who did it, why and how to prevent it from happening again".

Curious if you think this will ever get accomplished ?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So what have they found so far? Nothing.

I think the WH shouldn't have said anything until they were 100% clear. However if that happened people would be up in arms about the silence. With the 24/7 coverage, you're dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

And didn't Hillary say in her "what difference does it make" speach something along the lines of .... "as long as we find out who did it, why and how to prevent it from happening again".

"So what have they found so far? Nothing."

I think they found that the administration, for a time, ignored a lot of evidence and suggestion that it had nothing to do with the video. They learned that once there was a document from the CIA that mentioned the video, they ignored everything else. A very compelling case can be made, that they ignored everything else and focused on the video as long as they could, because that narrative did not indicate a failure in policy. It being an election season, there is no bigger political motivation than winning the presidential election, so that had motive to be less than honest.

It also just came out that back when this happened, Foxnews (naturally) broke that the video had nothing to do with it. There was a 7-page email that circulated among senior Obama staff that dealt with how they should respond to Fox's story. The administration will not release that entire email - how's that for a "transparent" administration we were promised.

There are insane hearings all the time. If the Obama administration has nothing to hide (and it stands to reason they do), they have nothing to fear, other than the inconvenience.

Let's have open hearings, everyone there, everying being honest. If it's nothing more than a witch-hunt, hold the GOP accountable. If the administration did anyhting wrong, hold them accountable.

Fair enough?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let's have open hearings, everyone there, everying being honest. If it's nothing more than a witch-hunt, hold the GOP accountable. If the administration did anyhting wrong, hold them accountable.

Just heard that the The National Republican Congressional Committee has solicited money through a petition called Benghazi Watchdog on its website, which says, “Let’s go after Obama and Hilary Clinton,”

The spell check nazis will have a field day with that.

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Just heard that the The National Republican Congressional Committee has solicited money through a petition called Benghazi Watchdog on its website, which says, “Let’s go after Obama and Hilary Clinton,”

The spell check nazis will have a field day with that.

After the health insurance companies just testified this week and blew away The GOP FUD on the ACA they don't have much else to work with.

The fact that the GOP is starting to actively try and raise campaign cash on Benghazi is repugnant. God Jim, even you have to agree with that.

Some people need to wake up and realize that hatred for Obama and Clinton isn't a winning strategy.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

After the health insurance companies just testified this week and blew away The GOP FUD on the ACA they don't have much else to work with. you mean this?


Testifying before a hearing of the House Energy and Commerce Oversight Committee, Mark Pratt, Senior Vice President, State Affairs America’s Health Insurance Plans, raised questions about the White House’s claim that nearly 8 million Americans have signed up for a health insurance plan under the Affordable Care Act.

“Because of the challenges that surfaced with the launch of the Exchanges in October 2013, some consumers were advised to create a new account and enroll again,” Pratt said Wednesday.

“As a result, insurers have many duplicate enrollments in their system for which they never received any payment. In cases where an insurer has a new enrollment for a consumer who previously enrolled, they are not expecting that original policy to be effectuated – even though that data is still reported,” he added.

Simply put, according to Pratt, glitches in the online exchanges that resulted in Americans signing up more than once for the same plan may have created “duplicate enrollments” that are being counted by the Obama administration toward final sign-up figures.

It’s important to note that “sign-ups” are different from “enrollments” as the latter require payment. Further, and despite the fact that the White House tends to use these two terms interchangeably, the House Energy and Commerce Committee announced last week that only 67 percent of the nearly 8 million sign-ups have paid their first month’s insurance premium, meaning only two-thirds of White House’s Obamacare sign-ups are formally enrolled in a plan.

what's 67% -80% of "nearly" 8 million minus the duplicates?...it's not 8 million it would also be interesting to know how many of those felt "forced" into Obamacare http://finance.yahoo.com/news/policy...1399.html...if if Obama was a car salesman, and he'd proudly claimed in a commercial to have sold 8 million cars and it was discovered that of those 8 million, applications had been made twice by the same people for the same car, only 67-80 % of the cars had actually been paid for, many had been forced to buy cars from him due to government regulations or because their cars were taken from them due to new government regulations, many had bought cars because the government offered to subsidize the cost of the car Of the 983,775 people in Florida who selected a private health plan through the exchange, about 91 percent or 893,655 received financial aid to pay for it, according to the report issued by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

how is this different than those third world dictators who rig an election and then celebrate the fact that they got 97% of the vote?

...i love Obama math.... I bet they keep counting you after you are dead too...it's like voting for democrats

The fact that the GOP is starting to actively try and raise campaign cash on Benghazi is repugnant. God Jim, even you have to agree with that. I'm sure it's just beyond the pale..maybe the Dems could counter with a "Clinton Bengazi Defense Fund"... if you'd like I can prepare a long list of tragedies that the Dems have used to raise campaign cash so that you can express similar feigned outrage as you seem brimming.

pretty funny...“Fundraising off the Benghazi tragedy is despicable and insulting and has no place in the national conversation,” Israel said in the statement. “Speaker Boehner and Chairman Walden should immediately take down their BenghaziWatchdogs.com website and stop insulting the memory of the brave Americans who were lost there.”

But directly above Israel’s statement is a humongous “CONTRIBUTE NOW” button, where visitors can click to cough up some cash for the DCCC." some people

Some people need to wake up and realize that hatred for Obama and Clinton isn't a winning strategy.
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both are well established liars and have solid track records of incompetence(which I think you'd call impressive resumes), this isn't about hating them... although it's a simple juvenile exercise to suggest that it's about "hate" whenever their honesty and competence comes into question...it's about distrusting them and questioning their competence...which, given their track record...is pretty sensible...enabling liars and incompetents in positions of power is not a winning strategy either

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

The fact that the GOP is starting to actively try and raise campaign cash on Benghazi is repugnant. God Jim, even you have to agree with that.


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Boehner wouldn't even strongly oppose that.. At least Gowdy did...

So Jim.
If this investigation finds nothing damning, will you let it go and denounce all who tread on the deaths of 4 Americans for political gain?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Boehner wouldn't even strongly oppose that.. At least Gowdy did...

So Jim.
If this investigation finds nothing damning, will you let it go and denounce all who tread on the deaths of 4 Americans for political gain?

Ben

"Boehner wouldn't even strongly oppose that.. At least Gowdy did... "

Please. You telling me thatthe Democrats didn't exploitth edeaths of thousands of servicemen in Iraq, to raise money at fundraisers. Political fundraisers involve showing how dangerous your opponent is. If th efacts are corrcet, it's not evil. Benghazi wants to make me give more to the GOP.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ben

"Boehner wouldn't even strongly oppose that.. At least Gowdy did... "

Please. You telling me thatthe Democrats didn't exploitth edeaths of thousands of servicemen in Iraq, to raise money at fundraisers. Political fundraisers involve showing how dangerous your opponent is. If th efacts are corrcet, it's not evil. Benghazi wants to make me give more to the GOP.

Democrats are blind to blatant hypocracy Jim . Maybe Brian will man up and admit you're right .....
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If th efacts are corrcet, it's not evil. Benghazi wants to make me give more to the GOP.

Usually your facts are not correct, does that then make YOU evil?

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And didn't Hillary say in her "what difference does it make" speach something along the lines of .... "as long as we find out who did it, why and how to prevent it from happening again".

She did say that, and it makes her statement less putrid. But it still matters, because justice always matters, and justice always requires truth, does it not? I'm sure it matters to the families of the victims, to know what actually happened. Then again, she's not a huge fan of the truth, is she?

Hilary: I got off the plane, and immediately came under sniper fire. I had to DIVE! into a Hum-vee!

Reporter: Here is a video of the scene. You are smiling and waving, and casually getting into the vehicle. No gunshots.

Bill Clinton: She was tired, so she's not responsible for what she says.

Spence: Good enough for me! Hoo-ray!

In other words (assuming Bill was being honest, which he wasn't), when she's tired, she becomes delusional, unable to differentiate between reality and fantasy. And she wants to be President? Are you kidding me? I think Presidents need to be able to display some rationality even when tired.

Tell me I'm wrong?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Tell me I'm wrong?

How many time have you brought that up and yet you aren't concerned with either the lie (or the bungling stupidity) that got us into the Iraq war that caused over 4,500 soldiers death? Does the word justice ever come up in regards to this issue? Don't the families of the soldiers deserve to know?

How many embassies where attacked during the Bush admin?

So let's have more hearings. We don't have the truth yet bc the Reps aren't satisfied and think there is a conspiracy that they'll soon uncover.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How many time have you brought that up and yet you aren't concerned with either the lie (or the bungling stupidity) that got us into the Iraq war that caused over 4,500 soldiers death? Does the word justice ever come up in regards to this issue? Don't the families of the soldiers deserve to know?

How many embassies where attacked during the Bush admin?

So let's have more hearings. We don't have the truth yet bc the Reps aren't satisfied and think there is a conspiracy that they'll soon uncover.

"you aren't concerned with either the lie (or the bungling stupidity) that got us into the Iraq war that caused over 4,500 soldiers death?"

If it was a lie or stupidity, then the list of liars and idiots includes Hilary Clinton (also Senators Biden, Edwards, Boxer, Reid, Schumer, Feinstein, all thos eneocons!), who voted to invade Iraq and who said that Iraq had WMDs. Paul, I was there, so it impacted me more than I bet it did you. But a lot of smart, decent people reached the same conclusion. Husseain signed a treaty ending the first war, and one of the terms wa sthat he give inspectors access. He kept kicking them out. What do you do in that case? Nothing?

"Don't the families of the soldiers deserve to know? "

Know WHAT? The vast majority of professional intelligence analysts reached th esame conclusion. It turned out to be wrong. That doesn't make thos epeople evil. Intelligence, unfortunately, is not an exact science.

"How many embassies where attacked during the Bush admin?"

In how many cases did the ambassador ask for more security and get denied? In how many cases did Bush cover up what happened? I don't blame a President for every bad thing that hapens, you can't control everything. But there's evidence here of some incompetence and dishonesty. I'm sorry if that gets you worked up.

"So let's have more hearings"

Yes, let's. If they don't shed light on anything new, we can at least deny the right-wing nuts the ability to say that Obama wasn't forthcoming.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yes, let's. If they don't shed light on anything new, we can at least deny the right-wing nuts the ability to say that Obama wasn't forthcoming.

This whole mess could be cleared up in an hour if Obama and Clinton went before the American people and explained what happened while releasing all the documents pertaining to it , without having Judicial Watch sue under the Freedom of Information Act to get them.

Ahh the transparency.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by justplugit

This whole mess could be cleared up in an hour if Obama and Clinton went before the American people and explained what happened while releasing all the documents pertaining to it , without having Judicial Watch sue under the Freedom of Information Act to get them.

Ahh the transparency.

It's been like that this whole presidency. Every investigation . Now the Democrats are going to try to block and boycott any investigation the house has. Nothing to hide then be open and
forthright ..... That's what Spence and Paul want .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

It's been like that this whole presidency. Every investigation . Now the Democrats are going to try to block and boycott any investigation the house has. Nothing to hide then be open and
forthright ..... That's what Spence and Paul want .
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Is this the fourth or fifth House investigation? I've lost count...
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