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The withdraw timetable that Obama followed, I believe, was constructed by the Bush administration. To be fair, I don't recall conservatives attacking Bush for letting the enemy know when we were leaving.
However. The fact is, when Obama was calling the shots, many people were telling him that it was the wrong time for a complete withdrawal. Obama said the withdrawal wouldn't jeopardize the gain we had made.
Who was wrong in this case? Spence? Spence??
It is unbelievable how often this guy is 100% wrong.
The withdraw timetable that Obama followed, I believe, was constructed by the Bush administration. To be fair, I don't recall conservatives attacking Bush for letting the enemy know when we were leaving.
However. The fact is, when Obama was calling the shots, many people were telling him that it was the wrong time for a complete withdrawal. Obama said the withdrawal wouldn't jeopardize the gain we had made.
Who was wrong in this case? Spence? Spence??
It is unbelievable how often this guy is 100% wrong.
So..
Let me ask it this way.
The Iraqi government wanted U.S. troops out. The American public seemed to want the troops out.
If we had just left, rather than on a 'announced timeline' in 2011, we are still THREE years out from that. ISIS etc.. would still have had 3 years to plan, whether we announced this or not, correct?
So the bigger issue, as I see your (and the Neocon) argument Jim, is that basically we should still have had troops in Iraq.
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
So..
If we had just left, rather than on a 'announced timeline' in 2011, we are still THREE years out from that. ISIS etc.. would still have had 3 years to plan, whether we announced this or not, correct?
That exactly was the point I was going to make. It is not like once 1 base was emptied, the enemy wouldn't figure we were leaving all the bases. Blaming Bush for something that happened 3 years later is silly. The whole problem was that the Sunni's (and Kurds) where mostly excluded from the govern. Had they felt included, Iraq might not be in this situation.
That exactly was the point I was going to make. It is not like once 1 base was emptied, the enemy wouldn't figure we were leaving all the bases. Blaming Bush for something that happened 3 years later is silly. The whole problem was that the Sunni's (and Kurds) where mostly excluded from the govern. Had they felt included, Iraq might not be in this situation.
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The withdraw timetable that Obama followed, I believe, was constructed by the Bush administration. To be fair, I don't recall conservatives attacking Bush for letting the enemy know when we were leaving.
However. The fact is, when Obama was calling the shots, many people were telling him that it was the wrong time for a complete withdrawal. Obama said the withdrawal wouldn't jeopardize the gain we had made.
Who was wrong in this case? Spence? Spence??
It is unbelievable how often this guy is 100% wrong.
There will always be hawks pushing for a harder position.
As for the 100% remark. This is exactly the wrong way to view things. By that measure the Bush team was 100% wrong on just about everything as well. Actually by that measure they were more than 100% wrong. 1000%?
And to top it all of you have #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney, perhaps the biggest advocate of the war and most wrong about everything out slamming Obama to make political hey just to get his daughter media attention because she couldn't get any support to run in Wyoming.
Perhaps the most douchebaggery thing I've ever seen come from a VP and he's had his moments.
The simple fact is the situation is serious and if people think this is just another opportunity to pile on Obama they're doing this country -- and everything we've given -- a great disservice.
Perhaps the most douchebaggery thing I've ever seen come from a VP and he's had his moments.
-spence
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
There will always be hawks pushing for a harder position.
As for the 100% remark. This is exactly the wrong way to view things. By that measure the Bush team was 100% wrong on just about everything as well. Actually by that measure they were more than 100% wrong. 1000%?
And to top it all of you have #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney, perhaps the biggest advocate of the war and most wrong about everything out slamming Obama to make political hey just to get his daughter media attention because she couldn't get any support to run in Wyoming.
Perhaps the most douchebaggery thing I've ever seen come from a VP and he's had his moments.
The simple fact is the situation is serious and if people think this is just another opportunity to pile on Obama they're doing this country -- and everything we've given -- a great disservice.
-spence
Do you even hear yourself type ???
Everything you accuse others of doing , you and your dear leader do X10
I'm not sure you want to bring douchebag vice presidents into this conversation do you?? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Do you even hear yourself type ???
Everything you accuse others of doing , you and your dear leader do X10
I'm not sure you want to bring douchebag vice presidents into this conversation do you?? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
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