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[Raider Ronnie]

So in the same week this kid was shot in Missouri 26 Black kids were shot by other black Kids in Chicago.
How come Jesse, Al, Barack and the black panthers aren't making statements on those shootings ???
Maybe because no $ to be extorted from there !
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

So in the same week this kid was shot in Missouri 26 Black kids were shot by other black Kids in Chicago.
How come Jesse, Al, Barack and the black panthers aren't making statements on those shootings ???
Maybe because no $ to be extorted from there !
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Great question. The answer is, regardless of whatever malarkey Spence is shoveling, this is about one thing, and one thing only...race. Black kids killing other black kids in Chicago doesn't fir the liberal "narrative", and therefore it doesn't help Al Sharpton stay relevant in the conversation.

Courageous post.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Great question. The answer is, regardless of whatever malarkey Spence is shoveling, this is about one thing, and one thing only...race. Black kids killing other black kids in Chicago doesn't fir the liberal "narrative"

Courageous post.

No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager.

Are they a travesty, absolutely. Where did the guns come from? Stolen? Straw purchases? Foriegn imports? That is a bigger part of that discussion, as are Fishpart's comments about the military equipment the cops can pull out (much of if Iraq/Afgan war surplus)

I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office. Maybe the kids actions put the officer in the right, but all the evidence needs to come out.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager.

Are they a travesty, absolutely. Where did the guns come from? Stolen? Straw purchases? Foriegn imports? That is a bigger part of that discussion, as are Fishpart's comments about the military equipment the cops can pull out (much of if Iraq/Afgan war surplus)

I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office. Maybe the kids actions put the officer in the right, but all the evidence needs to come out.

Where did the guns come from is the bigger part of the discussion ????
I would like to know what spawned the total disrespect of life and of ones self . What created the thug life . I'm pretty sure it's not the guns . And I'm pretty sure it's more prevalent in the "takers" then the providers . How has the sociaty of "takers " been created ? Look in the mirror and stop pointing fingers at meaningless objects . If you want to do something about fun crime then address the real problem. We have a million gun laws on the books . Has anything improved ???

If this has been a black cop we wouldn't even have a thread here.
Admit it
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by buckman

Where did the guns come from is the bigger part of the discussion ????
I would like to know what spawned the total disrespect of life and of ones self . What created the thug life . I'm pretty sure it's not the guns . And I'm pretty sure it's more prevalent in the "takers" then the providers . How has the sociaty of "takers " been created ? Look in the mirror and stop pointing fingers at meaningless objects . If you want to do something about gun crime then address the real problem. We have a million gun laws on the books . Has anything improved ???

If this has been a black cop we wouldn't even have a thread here.
Admit it
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

Where did the guns come from is the bigger part of the discussion ????
I would like to know what spawned the total disrespect of life and of ones self . What created the thug life . I'm pretty sure it's not the guns . And I'm pretty sure it's more prevalent in the "takers" then the providers . How has the sociaty of "takers " been created ? Look in the mirror and stop pointing fingers at meaningless objects . If you want to do something about fun crime then address the real problem. We have a million gun laws on the books . Has anything improved ???

If this has been a black cop we wouldn't even have a thread here.
Admit it
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I agree 99%.
'The thug life' mentality is a huge part of this. Agreed.
I think the ready access to firearms for the thugs/gangs etc. is a huge part of the issue.

I ask it every time this comes up. where are the percentages? Are they stolen, straw, foreign? I just don't know, but it warrants discussion. There certainly are gun laws on the books, let a lot of criminals have guns. How do we mitigate this?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I agree 99%.
'The thug life' mentality is a huge part of this. Agreed.
I think the ready access to firearms for the thugs/gangs etc. is a huge part of the issue.

I ask it every time this comes up. where are the percentages? Are they stolen, straw, foreign? I just don't know, but it warrants discussion. There certainly are gun laws on the books, let a lot of criminals have guns. How do we mitigate this?

Gun violations are usually plea bargained . Ma has a mandatory one year if caught without a license . No one gets the 1 year.
It really is as simple as throwing the book at anybody that commits a crime with a firearm .
The thugs know there is little risk carrying one or using it.
I'm not sure why anti-gun people are against hard time if you do the crime. Perhaps they are stupid.
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

Gun violations are usually plea bargained . Ma has a mandatory one year if caught without a license . No one gets the 1 year.
It really is as simple as throwing the book at anybody that commits a crime with a firearm .
The thugs know there is little risk carrying one or using it.
I'm not sure why anti-gun people are against hard time if you do the crime. Perhaps they are stupid.
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That stops them after they have the gun.

Where did they get the gun if most gun owners are responsible. Is every gun on the streets stolen? Illegal import?
It remains a valid question, I think.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager.

Are they a travesty, absolutely. Where did the guns come from? Stolen? Straw purchases? Foriegn imports? That is a bigger part of that discussion, as are Fishpart's comments about the military equipment the cops can pull out (much of if Iraq/Afgan war surplus)

I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office. Maybe the kids actions put the officer in the right, but all the evidence needs to come out.

"No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager"

Right. And to liberals and race-baiters, a small number of white cops kilingblack kids, deserves WAY more attention and energy than thousands of black kids being killed by other black kids. How about we put our energy where the biggest problems are? Does anyone genuinely believe that large numbers of white cops wake up and go looking for blacks to execute?

And "unarmed" means little. Someone who is 6'4 and 300 pounds can do an awful lot of damage, as shown in the video when he roughed up the store owner for the huge payoff of a box of cigars.

"I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office"

No, you're not. Not if you suggest that just because it's a case of white cop/dead black kid, means that we waste al this energy, when we could be directing that energy towards larger problems.

Let the justice system play out here, before we decide if there's a story.

White cop shoots black kid, page 1 everywhere, even though w ehave no idea what happened. A couple dozed black kids get shot in Chicago, that's far less important. If you can explain that to me, I'm willing to listen.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"No, in those cases, it wasn't a police officer shooting an unarmed teenager"

Right. And to liberals and race-baiters, a small number of white cops kilingblack kids, deserves WAY more attention and energy than thousands of black kids being killed by other black kids. How about we put our energy where the biggest problems are? Does anyone genuinely believe that large numbers of white cops wake up and go looking for blacks to execute?

And "unarmed" means little. Someone who is 6'4 and 300 pounds can do an awful lot of damage, as shown in the video when he roughed up the store owner for the huge payoff of a box of cigars.

"I'm withholding an opinion on the MO office"

No, you're not. Not if you suggest that just because it's a case of white cop/dead black kid, means that we waste al this energy, when we could be directing that energy towards larger problems.

Let the justice system play out here, before we decide if there's a story.

White cop shoots black kid, page 1 everywhere, even though w ehave no idea what happened. A couple dozed black kids get shot in Chicago, that's far less important. If you can explain that to me, I'm willing to listen.

And if the kids charged him with the intent to harm, I'd say it was a justified shooting. He was shot 6-8 times, including double tapped in the head. White/Black, this warrants investigation.

the kids getting shot in Chicago are not 'far less important' but it is not apples to apples to a cop of any race shooting an unarmed kid of any race.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And if the kids charged him with the intent to harm, I'd say it was a justified shooting. He was shot 6-8 times, including double tapped in the head. White/Black, this warrants investigation.

the kids getting shot in Chicago are not 'far less important' but it is not apples to apples to a cop of any race shooting an unarmed kid of any race.

He was a big kid. Hyped up on adrenaline and perhaps drugs. You don't stop shooting unti the person stops advancing . From what I hear the police officer was injured during the scuffle.
Are we feeling more comfortable now that attorney Holder is on the case?
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

He was a big kid. Hyped up on adrenaline and perhaps drugs. You don't stop shooting unti the person stops advancing . From what I hear the police officer was injured during the scuffle.
Are we feeling more comfortable now that attorney Holder is on the case?
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Agreed. If thats how the facts play out, it was justified. From what I have read, a lot of information has not been released yet, and a lot of questions remain.

None of this justifies the rioting etc, although a lot has been clearly instigated by people outside the community looking to stir #^&#^&#^&#^& up

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And if the kids charged him with the intent to harm, I'd say it was a justified shooting. He was shot 6-8 times, including double tapped in the head. White/Black, this warrants investigation.

the kids getting shot in Chicago are not 'far less important' but it is not apples to apples to a cop of any race shooting an unarmed kid of any race.

"White/Black, this warrants investigation. "

Agreed. What it doesn't warrant, not until we know the facts, are statements by Omama and Eric Holder that seem to be assuming the shoting was un-justified. What it doesn't warrant, is that pig Al Sharpton inciting violence by claiming that there is a race war.

The reaction, in the immediate aftermath of the event, is identical (IMHO) to the immediate reaction in the aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse case. When the facts came in, the alarmists had egg on their faces. Amazingly, they haven't learned their lesson. And I don't get why anyone listens to these people.

No one would say that a cop killing a kid is identical to a kid killing a kid. But the scenario that gets all the attention, is the one that's FAR less frequent, and far less of a problem to society.

The only possible explanation is that sensationalism is more important that problem-solving. Or am I wrong on that?

[Jim in CT]

I've also seen multiple reports that the police have been fired upon (gunfire). The fact that there haven't been dozens more dead kids, tells me that the cops are showing amazing restraint.

This guy may be a bad cop, who knows. I just hate the same old tiresome, predictable response every single time this happens.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"White/Black, this warrants investigation. "

Agreed. What it doesn't warrant, not until we know the facts, are statements by Omama and Eric Holder that seem to be assuming the shoting was un-justified. What it doesn't warrant, is that pig Al Sharpton inciting violence by claiming that there is a race war.

The reaction, in the immediate aftermath of the event, is identical (IMHO) to the immediate reaction in the aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse case. When the facts came in, the alarmists had egg on their faces. Amazingly, they haven't learned their lesson. And I don't get why anyone listens to these people.

No one would say that a cop killing a kid is identical to a kid killing a kid. But the scenario that gets all the attention, is the one that's FAR less frequent, and far less of a problem to society.

The only possible explanation is that sensationalism is more important that problem-solving. Or am I wrong on that?

And have you seen anyone, other than people driven by ratings on MSNBC claiming Al Sharpton is in the right here? I'm all for letting justice play out, but a lot of red flags on this case, and this department. Hell, did you see the mayor of Ferguson?


You are not wrong, but I don't know the answer. I ask questions about how the criminals get guns and I get spouted back the same BS. tougher laws AFTER they get caught w/ a firearm and we have enough gun laws already.

[Fishpart]

Regardless of where conservatives fall on the spectrum of how they see Ferguson, MO, conservatives should also be willing to agree on two things.

First, as someone on twitter noted, if we say most conservatives are not racist despite what the left would have us believe, we should be willing to believe that not all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen.

Second, and even more importantly, conservatives who lament the abuses of a big federal government should not so easily give a pass to state and local government. In fact, if a government is big enough to give us everything, it is big enough to take it all away and that government may not be Washington, but your state or local community. Many liberals are today upset at the police in Ferguson, MO, but give a complete pass to the IRS’s political persecutions. Conservatives upset at the IRS, EPA, DOJ, etc. should not give a blanket pass to state and local authorities. Frankly, we should also not give a pass to Republican administrations on these issues.

Conservatives are a law and order bunch. It is, in fact, the natural order to gather into societies and cede our individual rights of protection to a governmental body that wields the sword on our behalf. But that sword can be turned on us. As we become a society where more and more legislation and regulation causes more and more well meaning people to accidentally run afoul of laws and rules, we should be more concerned with militarizing our police and extending the jurisdictions of law enforcement agencies.

Police do a good and necessary job. But if power corrupts men and absolute power corrupts absolutely, we should be wary of putting our neighborhood man in blue in camouflage, a helmet, and an AR-15 inside an armored personnel carrier except in the most serious of circumstances.

No conservative is saying police do not need to be able to outshoot and out arm the bad guys. But many of us are saying police are more quickly than ever before resorting to playing soldier when they could accomplish the same as just a policeman.

One can view the events of Ferguson, MO and decide it was a good call to, before rioting even began, suit up the police as soldiers. But the world is not binary. Regardless of how one views the events of Ferguson, we should all be troubled by the over-militarization of routine police activity. We should all be troubled at the growing number of well documented cases of heavy handed local and state police. Being a conservative means we should support the judicious use of force. It also means that, unlike liberals who routinely turn a blind eye to the abuses of the state targeted toward their opponents, we should not simply presume the ends justify the means.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

First, as someone on twitter noted, if we say most conservatives are not racist despite what the left would have us believe, we should be willing to believe that not all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen.

Second, and even more importantly, conservatives who lament the abuses of a big federal government should not so easily give a pass to state and local government. In fact, if a government is big enough to give us everything, it is big enough to take it all away and that government may not be Washington, but your state or local community. Many liberals are today upset at the police in Ferguson, MO, but give a complete pass to the IRS’s political persecutions. Conservatives upset at the IRS, EPA, DOJ, etc. should not give a blanket pass to state and local authorities. Frankly, we should also not give a pass to Republican administrations on these issues.

Conservatives are a law and order bunch. It is, in fact, the natural order to gather into societies and cede our individual rights of protection to a governmental body that wields the sword on our behalf. But that sword can be turned on us. As we become a society where more and more legislation and regulation causes more and more well meaning people to accidentally run afoul of laws and rules, we should be more concerned with militarizing our police and extending the jurisdictions of law enforcement agencies.

Police do a good and necessary job. But if power corrupts men and absolute power corrupts absolutely, we should be wary of putting our neighborhood man in blue in camouflage, a helmet, and an AR-15 inside an armored personnel carrier except in the most serious of circumstances.

No conservative is saying police do not need to be able to outshoot and out arm the bad guys. But many of us are saying police are more quickly than ever before resorting to playing soldier when they could accomplish the same as just a policeman.

One can view the events of Ferguson, MO and decide it was a good call to, before rioting even began, suit up the police as soldiers. But the world is not binary. Regardless of how one views the events of Ferguson, we should all be troubled by the over-militarization of routine police activity. We should all be troubled at the growing number of well documented cases of heavy handed local and state police. Being a conservative means we should support the judicious use of force. It also means that, unlike liberals who routinely turn a blind eye to the abuses of the state targeted toward their opponents, we should not simply presume the ends justify the means.

"First, as someone on twitter noted, if we say most conservatives are not racist despite what the left would have us believe, we should be willing to believe that not all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen. "

Who, exactly, in the conservative world, is suggesting that "all of the black community is prone to riot when these terrible things happen"? Can you name any influential conservatives who are saying that?

"conservatives who lament the abuses of a big federal government should not so easily give a pass to state and local government."

I don't want to "give a pass". But how about we get the facts first, before we conclude that this kid was the innocent victim of a racial assassination?

Good to see that the liberals, and their mouthpieces in the media, learned such a good lesson from the Duke Lacrosse case, in terms of not jumping to politically correct conclusions before we know what happened. Anybody remember that incident at all?