Missouri

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And if the kids charged him with the intent to harm, I'd say it was a justified shooting. He was shot 6-8 times, including double tapped in the head. White/Black, this warrants investigation.

the kids getting shot in Chicago are not 'far less important' but it is not apples to apples to a cop of any race shooting an unarmed kid of any race.

"White/Black, this warrants investigation. "

Agreed. What it doesn't warrant, not until we know the facts, are statements by Omama and Eric Holder that seem to be assuming the shoting was un-justified. What it doesn't warrant, is that pig Al Sharpton inciting violence by claiming that there is a race war.

The reaction, in the immediate aftermath of the event, is identical (IMHO) to the immediate reaction in the aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse case. When the facts came in, the alarmists had egg on their faces. Amazingly, they haven't learned their lesson. And I don't get why anyone listens to these people.

No one would say that a cop killing a kid is identical to a kid killing a kid. But the scenario that gets all the attention, is the one that's FAR less frequent, and far less of a problem to society.

The only possible explanation is that sensationalism is more important that problem-solving. Or am I wrong on that?

[Jim in CT]

I've also seen multiple reports that the police have been fired upon (gunfire). The fact that there haven't been dozens more dead kids, tells me that the cops are showing amazing restraint.

This guy may be a bad cop, who knows. I just hate the same old tiresome, predictable response every single time this happens.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"White/Black, this warrants investigation. "

Agreed. What it doesn't warrant, not until we know the facts, are statements by Omama and Eric Holder that seem to be assuming the shoting was un-justified. What it doesn't warrant, is that pig Al Sharpton inciting violence by claiming that there is a race war.

The reaction, in the immediate aftermath of the event, is identical (IMHO) to the immediate reaction in the aftermath of the Duke Lacrosse case. When the facts came in, the alarmists had egg on their faces. Amazingly, they haven't learned their lesson. And I don't get why anyone listens to these people.

No one would say that a cop killing a kid is identical to a kid killing a kid. But the scenario that gets all the attention, is the one that's FAR less frequent, and far less of a problem to society.

The only possible explanation is that sensationalism is more important that problem-solving. Or am I wrong on that?

And have you seen anyone, other than people driven by ratings on MSNBC claiming Al Sharpton is in the right here? I'm all for letting justice play out, but a lot of red flags on this case, and this department. Hell, did you see the mayor of Ferguson?


You are not wrong, but I don't know the answer. I ask questions about how the criminals get guns and I get spouted back the same BS. tougher laws AFTER they get caught w/ a firearm and we have enough gun laws already.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I ask questions about how the criminals get guns and I get spouted back the same BS. tougher laws AFTER they get caught w/ a firearm and we have enough gun laws already.

It's not crap, it's facts . Here's another one for you . Drugs have been banned yet they are the leading cause for most black on black murders . Still think banning guns is a workable solution ? I'm for enforcing existing laws and tougher sentences . To quote Jim " Am I wrong "
What Liberal Democrats don't want to agree on is that the liberal policies are the cause of much of what is going on in Missouri. People feeling they are always a victim. People feeling they're entitled. People feeling that somebody else is to blame for the a problem. People feeling that life has not been fair to them. All feelings that have been driven into them by the liberals and the liberal media. People need to have personal responsibility. Liberal policies do nothing to create that.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

People feeling they are always a victim. People feeling they're entitled. People feeling that somebody else is to blame for the a problem. Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

BINGO.

In big cities, where large numbers of blacks live, Democrats almost always are in charge, and have been for a generation. Are these cities better off than they were 30 years ago, or worse?

That alone should be enough to reject much of liberalism with great confidence. Yet the people in these cities wake up in the morning, open their doors, look around, and vote for more of the same. So do people like Spence. If I lived in Bridgeport, I'd assume that anything would be better than what's currently running the show, which is liberalism.

I want to be a life coach for these people. Here's what I would tell every single one of them..."if you want to know what the problem is, look in the mirror. If you want to know what the solution is, look in the bible". (there are other solutions, of course, such as responsibility and hard work and empathy for your neighbors, but IMHO the bible establishes those things very well)

Liberals take the exact opposite approach. Blacks, having been anointed with "victim" status by liberals, are therefore told that nothing they do is ever their fault. The problem always lies with someone else, preferably a white man in a Brooks Brothers suit. And the solution is more gubmint. Because that has worked SO WELL in cities like Hartford and Bridgeport (in CT), where pure liberalism has run un-checked for 30 years. And by every conceivable measure, it has been a miserable failure. But you won't see Spence admit that. Liberals will tell you that cities are worse off, because they haven't gone far enough down the liberal path...because as we all know, the best way to get out of a hole is to keep diggng, right?

I don't get why people don't respond to actual, real-life, empirical evidence.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

And have you seen anyone, other than people driven by ratings on MSNBC claiming Al Sharpton is in the right here? I'm all for letting justice play out, but a lot of red flags on this case, and this department. Hell, did you see the mayor of Ferguson?


You are not wrong, but I don't know the answer. I ask questions about how the criminals get guns and I get spouted back the same BS. tougher laws AFTER they get caught w/ a firearm and we have enough gun laws already.

"And have you seen anyone, other than people driven by ratings on MSNBC claiming Al Sharpton is in the right here?"

What I don't hear (except on one TV station), i steh media saying that Sharpton is a proven liar with zero credibility and whi is a dangerous liar and therefore shuold be ignored. It's not enough for the media to be silent on this topic. Responsible journalism demands that Sharpton be called out for what he is, so that his influenced is diminished. If you see what has happened there, you'd conclude that a non-trivial number of people are reacting to the message of people like Sharpton.

Also, the governor has called for "prosecution". Not calling for an "investigation", but for a "prosectution", implying that there's enough evidence to establish a likelihood of guilt. Obama and Holder have expressed sympathy with residents because of "distrust of police", when we have no evidence to support the notion that the cop who shot this kid is not to be trusted.

Here's what gets me. If the cop was black, no one would have heard of this event. Therefore, it's about race, and nothing else.

Maybe this cop is a bit skittish, and is the type who shoots too soon when put in a dangerous, though non-lethal, situation. There are a lot of people like that, and it doesn't make them racist. Meaning, even if the cop was not justified in shooting this kid (which is a big 'if' at this point), that doesn't even come close to making the cop a racial assassin. Being un-suited for law enforcement, is not the same as racism.

"I ask questions about how the criminals get guns"

And that's a good question, but it's not the most important question. It's not just about the guns, because there are places with high rates of gun ownership that have low crime. You and I could have a collection of guns, and we'd never hurt anybody. To solve a problem, you need to get to the actual cause, and in my opinion, the cause of this problem isn't guns (though guns play a very large role). The fundamental problem is that as a society, collectively, we have a lot less empathy for each other than we did a generation ago, and less than the generation before that. The problem is a lack of empathy, a lack of values.

This president was in a unique position to possibly change what's going on in the black community, where 70% of kids are born out of wedlock, and that's a lot more fundemental to this issue than guns. And he has done almost nothing in that regard, an abject failure.