Striper meeting rant.

[niko]

I do online now too, no more paper thankfully
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by niko

recs are going from 2 fish to 1 fish- what that equates to percentage wise I have no idea. and I don't think anyone else knows either because no one really knows what recs catch. recs should be pushing for a mandadory reporting system so we can actually know what gets caught. as far as the hate comment - im not speaking of this thread in particular but in general

One fish for recs is estimated between 25% and 31% reduction

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by JohnR

One fish for recs is estimated between 25% and 31% reduction

I know they have to make an estimate but how the hell do they know that, is there good science to back it up? I agree something has to be done but is that 25%-31% a good estimate.

I can see that for Mass they know what the comm % reduction is because of trip logs and reporting system but from a Rec perspective I just don't see how they know how many fish are being kept by
Recs and what a reduction from 2 to 1 does to a number they don't actually know. It obviously will decrease the total catch but how can they assign that %.

It's better than nothing but I just get nervousness when they toss out numbers on things they can't account for.

I'd also be interested on what the difference is from rec and com dead discards are. I wonder if there is a difference between mortality of Rec release versus com release based off of gear, live vs artificial, experience, single or circle hook vs treble, length of fight, light vs heavy etc.
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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by JohnR

One fish for recs is estimated between 25% and 31% reduction

Its actually a 50% reduction in rec fish taken(from 2 to 1), which is a larger hit compaired to the 25 % commercial if you want to put it into compartmentalized perspective. I feel the tightening around the rec will make the biggest impact with this proposal however i feel they are missing the big picture with all the bass kills down south....

Just my 2 cents.
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[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by iamskippy

Its actually a 50% reduction in rec fish taken(from 2 to 1), which is a larger hit compaired to the 25 % commercial if you want to put it into compartmentalized perspective. I feel the tightening around the rec will make the biggest impact with this proposal however i feel they are missing the big picture with all the bass kills down south....

Just my 2 cents.
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No it is NOT! For it to be a 50% reduction it would mean that everyone who fishes for striped bass takes home two fish every time they go out. We all know that isn't happening.

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

No it is NOT! For it to be a 50% reduction it would mean that everyone who fishes for striped bass takes home two fish every time they go out. We all know that isn't happening.

And that means every com guy,limits on every outting.

The only difference is comm is regulated by weights, rec is based upon a fish limit not a weight.

There for you are allowing rec guys to only take a max of 50% less fish.
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[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by iamskippy

And that means every com guy,limits on every outting.

The only difference is comm is regulated by weights, rec is based upon a fish limit not a weight.

There for you are allowing rec guys to only take a max of 50% less fish.
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No, but on an overall basis the commercial sector catches all of its quota every year (or almost all of its quota). How the commercial quota is doled out varies from state to state, but all states now require commercial fish to be tagged, so the accounting for the commercial quota is pretty good.

On the recreational side, the MRFSS statistics are what generated the 25-31% reduction for a one fish limit, because we all know that not everyone limits out, every time out. Now you may or may not believe the MFRSS statistics, but that's all we have. No matter how you cut it a reduction of the recreational limit from two fish to one fish cannot be a 50% reduction in mortality.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by iamskippy

And that means every com guy,limits on every outting.

The only difference is comm is regulated by weights, rec is based upon a fish limit not a weight.

There for you are allowing rec guys to only take a max of 50% less fish.
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NY regulates its commercial fishery on numbers, not pounds, too. Each commercial angler is given a set number of tags based on his/her historical landings, and NY has a comm slot limit. What people have to understand is that coast-wide, the commercial quota is spread out across the population. MA puts a premium on harvesting big fish with a 34" minimum size. 34" may be the maximum allowed size under a slot limit. MD allows the harvesting of 18" fish in the bay.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by Mike P

MD allows the harvesting of 18" fish in the bay.

Is some of the harvesting in MD net or is it all Rod and Reel now?
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[bobber]

Originally Posted by Mike P

What people have to understand is that coast-wide, the commercial quota is spread out across the population. MA puts a premium on harvesting big fish with a 34" minimum size. 34" may be the maximum allowed size under a slot limit. MD allows the harvesting of 18" fish in the bay.

The fishery is set up to exploit what fish are available to the comms in their area.....

you better believe that the MD guys would love to be catching 34" fish.....

[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Mike P

allows the harvesting of 18" fish in the bay.

You do know that reason they set that 18" limit was to allow the harvest of male fish, that don't get too much bigger than that and DO NOT migrate out of the bay?