What's up with this Jonathan Gruber guy?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it's most likely he's just a *bit* arrogant. Also, the claims he's reported as making aren't even really true.

More importantly...the ACA has increased the number of insured, it's improving the health of those now insured, it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs and more insurers are competing in the marketplaces.

Bill isn't perfect but so far it's working as intended.

"the ACA...it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs"

When your love was selling the bill, not once did I ever hear him say that as a result of the ACA, "costs would go up, but at a slower pace than before". What I did hear, was that costs would dcerease. Something about the average family saving $2500 a year? Ring a bell?

Once again, like the stimulus keeping unemployment under 8%, it seems Obama is promising one thing, delivering something else. Some call that the old bait and switch. I'd love to see you explain why that's not the case here.

[Jim in CT]

Spence is correct when he says that cost of healthcare is increasing at a slower pace than usual. I think it was increasing by about 8% per year, now it's increasing by something like 4% a year. Most of that comes from Medicare paying doctors less than they did before. I don't think that helps anyone who is not on Medicare. And I also think it's naive to assume that if you pay doctors less, you are getting the same level of service. Something has to give, and at some point, doctors will stop seeing Medicare patients.

[rphud]

I would like to coin the phrase "back doored socialized medicine" and claim the rights to the website

backdooredsocializedmedicine.com

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"the ACA...it's dramatically slowing the rise in costs"

When your love was selling the bill, not once did I ever hear him say that as a result of the ACA, "costs would go up, but at a slower pace than before". What I did hear, was that costs would dcerease. Something about the average family saving $2500 a year? Ring a bell?

Once again, like the stimulus keeping unemployment under 8%, it seems Obama is promising one thing, delivering something else. Some call that the old bait and switch. I'd love to see you explain why that's not the case here.

We've discussed at length how the 8% was based on CBO data that was way off...

As for the $2500. I believe the objective for that target was to reduce health care spending by 1% of GDP which when averaged led to the $2500 per family. It wasn't intended to be a forecast of individual savings...but it came off that way.

[Fishpart]

Originally Posted by spence

As for the $2500. I believe the objective for that target was to reduce health care spending by 1% of GDP which when averaged led to the $2500 per family. It wasn't intended to be a forecast of individual savings...but it came off that way.

Here is a video where someone said that it would reduce cost for a family of 4 by $2500 NINETEEN times, hardly a statement that was interpreted incorrectly..

How about Politifact.com http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ance-premium-/