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Old 12-09-2014, 02:50 PM   #34
detbuch
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post
The video of the Staten Island incident breaks my heart, to see someone die so needlessly.

That being said...Spence might say that this man was essentially executed for selling cigarettes, as he said the Ferguson kid was killed for jaywalking (those are his words). That is demonstrably false. The orifginal crimes in these cases (jaywalking in Ferguson, selling cigarettes in NYC) could not matter less. What matters, all that matters, is that in both cases, the deceased had the opportunity to peacefully submit, and in both cases, they chose to resist. In the Staten Island case, the guy slapped the officer's hand away and said "get away from me".

This guy had been arrested 31 tmes, and all 31 times, he was released back to the street. If anyone knows that the cops aren't out hunting for black criminals, it's this guy in NYC. Yet HE chose to escalate the situation. When you resist arrest, you are guaranteeing a physical confrontation with police, and in some of those cases (especially when the assailant has serious medical issues), the outcome can be disastrous.

The cops cannot let people walk away who choose not to submit. If they did that, no one would submit to an arrest.

I saw one lunatic on Foxnews last night, a black activist, support hi sclaim that blacks are targeted by saying "the cops took John Gitti in, they didn't kill him". Did John Gotti resist arrest?

These people are so thoughtless, it's beyond words. Certainly, there is room for the police to receiv eth ebest modern training to try to minimize the damage done when the criminals choose to confront the police rather than submit. But I see no crime on that video, other than the crime of resisting arrest, which ended in tragedy.

Also, I hear that there was a black female sargeant on the scene in NYC, who di dnot tell the officer to let go, which should remove all discussion of race from this event. It doesn't stop the idiots from claiming racism, but it should.
That was all pretty much corroborated in the Fresh Ink article. It's not that long and an easy read. Although most of it has pertinent details, a few key points for those who don't want to read it:

"While protesters are trying to make this about race, it must be noted that the police showed up in response to complaints from black business owners. The arrest was ordered by a black officer, and the arrest itself was supervised by a black officer, a female sergeant.

A crackdown on the sale of illegal, untaxed cigarettes - called "loosies" since they are sold in singles rather than in packs - had been ordered just days before Garner's arrest by the highest ranking black police officer in the NYPD, Philip Banks.

So a black officer ordered the crackdown, black business owners called for the arrest, a black officer ordered the arrest, and a black officer supervised the arrest itself. It's also worth noting that the 23-member grand jury which refused to indict the arresting officer included nine non-white members. Ask yourself how many of those facts you have heard from any member of the race-obsessed, low-information media."

And:

"The patrolman who wrestled Garner to the ground, Daniel Pantaleo, did it by the book, using a takedown maneuver every policeman is taught at the academy. He did not, in fact, use a chokehold, which is defined by the NYPD as "any pressure to the throat or windpipe, which may prevent or hinder breathing or reduce intake of air." Now Garner was clearly able to breathe, since that's the only way he could repeatedly say, "I can't breathe."

The autopsy explicitly declares that there was no injury to Garner's windpipe or to his neck bones. This was a wrestler's headlock, not a chokehold. (As a sidenote, chokeholds, while contrary to police policy, are not in fact illegal in the state of New York when an officer uses one to restrain a resisting subject. They are not even illegal in New York City, at the insistence of liberal mayor Bill DeBlasio.) Patrolman Pantaleo was not indicted for the simple reason that he did nothing wrong."
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