CIA and torture

[CTSurfrat]

This scene is closer to the truth then some would like to admit. It's easy now to say it was "torture", and call into question the methods used. We all know that if we ever get hit again on a major scale the same politicians will be complaining that the CIA blew it!

A Few Good Men
Colonel Jessup:

Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

[spence]

Originally Posted by CTSurfrat

Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!

It's worth noting that in the movie Col. Jessup was arrested.

[CTSurfrat]

Originally Posted by spence

It's worth noting that in the movie Col. Jessup was arrested.

True, but not for interrogating a terrorist with information on an imminent attack on the U.S.

[scottw]

I listened to Mc Cain recently...his contention is that these techniques in general don't work because they result in the subject telling the interrogators what he thinks they want to hear in order to make them stop...to that I would say ...YES....what they want to hear may in fact be what they want to know...once they are told what they want to hear or know, they can then go about determining how truthful the information is...which is likely much more information than would have been gotten otherwise....and ultimately...it's been shown that we treat the wolves much better than they treat the sheep in nearly every case