Pats

[buckman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I think it is fair to say that if you weren't a Patriots fan, you would be singing a different tune. Actually that goes for most of the people posting on here. You have evidence that every team did the video taping?. Any reasonable person without bias who watched and listened to Tom Brady speak yesterday would conclude that he was full of it. The balls were deflated, someone deflated them, and there is one person who would want them deflated. If air pressure didn't make a difference, he wouldn't have a preference and the league wouldn't have a rule about it. One after another, hall of fame players and coaches are calling them out on it. If it is nothing, or it doesn't matter, or every team does it, then those people have no integrity. The world outside of foxboro is going with Shula, Rice, Dawkins, etc on this. Maybe video taping and deflating don't matter, but then why do it? In any case, there is no doubt that the Patriots are a tarnished franchise.

I'll be willing to bet your proved wrong . I'm with Spence.... There will be no wrongdoing found .
Hell even the Colts tackle that intercepted the ball is saying he never said anything about the ball.
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[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Sea Flat

I was surprised that Brady did not let us know what happened which makes me think that he was lying. I say this because even if he did not have anything to do with the under inflation (doubtful) at the very least he would know who did. Even if he figured it out after the fact. If I am having my butt hauled out in front of the press you bet for sure I am going to want to know what the hell happened. He didn't do that? I have a hard time believing that

Y would Brady know who did it if it is up to the ref to test every ball and then balls R secured till game time???? and then half time the ball guy with the red X on his shirt is responsible to secure the balls at half time....And if it is the refs job maybe they were laxed in doing their job and never did inspect footballs

As it has been known for refs to cheat betting on teams to win such as in basketball maybe the ref responsible was betting on the Patriots to win....

[nightfighter]

I am over this.... No longer disappointed with the team in any way, shape, or form. As noted; the NFL's silence is deafening... If it hasn't been dealt with by now, I doubt we will see much, if anything going forward. If they do come out with damning proof, I will reassess my thoughts on the whole franchise. But until then, I am back to enjoying the ride to the game. Going to laugh at the haters and enjoy what should be a very very good game of football.

[Rockfish9]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...YH?ocid=HPCDHP...

Something that some of us with unclouded vision have been saying all along...

[BigBo]

I think it's time for Roger Goodell to move on. He's obviously not very good at what he does based on this and other recent events.

[Sea Dangles]

My thinking is that if you believe Brady had nothing to do with this is that you most likely believed Lance Armstrong was not guilty for years and probably also think we never landed on the moon. Keep in mind, I don't think it's a big deal. Just saying.
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[zacs]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

My thinking is that if you believe Brady had nothing to do with this is that you most likely believed Lance Armstrong was not guilty for years and probably also think we never landed on the moon. Keep in mind, I don't think it's a big deal. Just saying.
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nobody has even come out and said officially what "THIS" is.

Lots of rumor, conjecture, and speculation. not a lot of facts.

It is quite frustrating to see your team and favorite players get dragged through the mud based on nothing by rumors and hearsay.

[Raven]

heard on the radio about a team of attorney's
at the helm
forensics being performed
40 people interviewed
this is nutty

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by zacs

nobody has even come out and said officially what "THIS" is.

Lots of rumor, conjecture, and speculation. not a lot of facts.

It is quite frustrating to see your team and favorite players get dragged through the mud based on nothing by rumors and hearsay.

Ok,since you missed it...
Somebody took air out of the Patriots footballs before kickoff in last weekends AFC title game.
They were checked by officials 2 hours before kickoff and were found to be in compliance. At halftime they collected the Patriots balls because the opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs. Somehow the air escaped the footballs and that is what "this" is about.
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[zacs]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ok,since you missed it...
Somebody took air out of the Patriots footballs before kickoff in last weekends AFC title game.
They were checked by officials 2 hours before kickoff and were found to be in compliance. At halftime they collected the Patriots balls because the opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs. Somehow the air escaped the footballs and that is what "this" is about.
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Says who? What was the pressure when checked before game? What was the pressure at half?

None of those stories have come from anywhere official [NFL].

Many of the "facts" that "sources" stated have already proven false.

I'm not saying the pats did or didn't cheat, I just have no facts to prove either point, and neither do you.

[afterhours]

after absorbing what i hear from misc sources my best guess is that the patriots submitted the low pressure balls to the officials and their inspection didn't include gauging the balls- just visual and in hand inspection. the dolts after being alerted by the cons...errrhhh i mean ravens brought it up the officials late in the 2nd period. nfl is thoroughly embarrassed and working strategy out. just a guess on my part.

[zacs]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

...opponent notified the officials about a discrepancy regarding air pressure in said footballs....
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already been denied by said opponent...

Like I said. You, and a lot of other people, are jumping all over brady and the pats with very little facts or proof.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by zacs

already been denied by said opponent...

Like I said. You, and a lot of other people, are jumping all over brady and the pats with very little facts or proof.

Says NFL
They were tested with a gauge before the game and were within the parameters
At halftime they were not (tooth fairy?)
You are not paying attn to detail.
I never said player,it was an eqpt guy. I am guessing you thought Lance was innocent until the confession......
Oh, and Don, we really are not in position to call any other team the cons with the trial about to start for Hernandez ( who Zacs thinks is innocent also)
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[MakoMike]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Says NFL
They were tested with a gauge before the game and were within the parameters
At halftime they were not (tooth fairy?)

The NFL has not said whether they were tested or not prior to the start of the game. All they have said is that they were low at half time and were brought up to spec for the second half. Anything else is pure conjecture.

[zacs]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Says NFL
They were tested with a gauge before the game and were within the parameters...
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got link?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

The NFL has not said whether they were tested or not prior to the start of the game. All they have said is that they were low at half time and were brought up to spec for the second half. Anything else is pure conjecture.

Cnn said NFL confirmed they were fine bf game.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by zacs

got link?

Prepare face for landing
Egg approaching
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[t.orlando]

I don't think that on the biggest game of the year they would wanna risk trying something totally different than normal(a different football).

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by MakoMike

The NFL has not said whether they were tested or not prior to the start of the game. All they have said is that they were low at half time and were brought up to spec for the second half. Anything else is pure conjecture.

Stick to being a fish lawyer
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[Pete F.]

Personally I think we are all being scammed by the NFL and sports media. Everyone is talking about it, even if only to say how stupid it is and that it makes no difference.
Would even 1% of you be paying any attention to the NFL before the "big" game or would you be discussing what the best halftime food is?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Nobody talking about the Colts player that was arrested for Rape the night before the AFC Championship, lots of talking about air pressure gauges though.

Goodell loves it......
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[hq2]

I don't usually post on non-SB topics, but I felt like a few things
ought to be pointed out (hey, it's Friday night, I'm bored and the
Celtics aren't on prime time).

1. The issue of whether the Pats deflated balls for the Colts game
isn't that big a deal, at least as far as the game is concerned; the
Pats played better with the regular balls and the Colts got stomped.

HOWEVER:

2. The issue of whether they deflated them for the Ravens game
DOES matter. That was a one score game which Brady won on a
perfect throw to Brandon Lafell. If that ball had gone two feet in
any direction from where it went, it was an incompletion, and the
Pats might have lost the game. If the ball was deflated, did that help
Brady make a better throw? What about some other throws in that
game?

3. How long has this been going on anyway? Does it date maybe to
that period about a month into the season where Brady stank, and
all of a sudden he was great? Was this an attempt by an aging player
to grab for one last edge before his Super Bowl window closed forever?

4. I don't believe Belichick was in on this. He's too smart, and he knows
the other teams can readily prove the issue. I don't think he
would take a chance like that. I think only Brady (may have) been
involved.

O.K., so that's what happens when you're bored on a Friday night.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Rockfish9

My question is... if the NFL has NO proof that the Pat's altered the footballs... and it is on the Ref's.. or god forbid even defective footballs or measuring gauges or techniques...... are all of these people that are piling on creating false stories actually going to be held accountable and apologize.... This is AMERICA what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty.. real proof ...not hear -say... ...people are being executed in the streets...leaders of countries are dyeing... two very important trials for REAL crimes are taking place in the city of Boston....our own congress is stealing our money through lies and deception and "deflategate" heads up the world news at 6:00.... this county has truly gone off the rails... all over 2 PSI...the amount of air equal to the weight of a dollar bill....I'm disgusted by it all...the only thing left to do is to fish heavily to compensate....

Yep it's called slander
And it's so commonplace that it has gone the way of the dinosaur.
Lack of respect for giving the benefit of the doubt( because it's the Patriots)

There are rats everywhere

Watch out Ravens and Colts
The chit storms you create may come back to haunt you
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[Slipknot]

I wonder if this thread will be longer than the charters wanting 2 fish thread
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[Slipknot]

The NFL has only said there is an investigation

Leaks from sources said balls were under inflated
And Ben Volin from the globe said the balls were checked prior to the game

I'm not a believer in the NFL

I think the only one telling the whole truth in this is Bill
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[buckman]

The latest theory is that the Pats did it on purpose because the NFL has been allowing underinflated balls and Wilson has small hands.
Now that sounds more like our coach .
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[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I wonder if this thread will be longer than the charters wanting 2 fish thread
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Only because you have 5x more post than anyone else hehhehehehe
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[Slipknot]

GOOD then I better post some more

I care about my team
you care to bash them

on to Seattle

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

GOOD then I better post some more

I care about my team
you care to bash them

on to Seattle

They make it so easy when they need to cheat to win lol

[5/0]

The way I see it is the pats scored 14 points with deflated balls and then score 28 points with properly inflated balls, I'm glad they were able to fix the problem.
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