Pats

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by hq2

...unless of course, the refs approve it. The point is, the Pats were
responsible for ensuring that the balls were right at game time. They
had AMPLE opportunities to check their standard procedures to make
sure they got it right. If they didn't do it, that's negligence. Right, any
lawyers out there?

This is not a legal issue,it is a rule book issue. Is it possible the Colts balls were overinflated and then lost psi due to the weather? The balls are checked 2 hours prior to kickoff for compliance,after that,whatever happens due to conditions other than being manipulated by humans is OK.
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[DZ]

At this point I don't believe any "reports" or "sources" that are not attributable - especially on the internet. I was watching a media specialist who said if you believe anything you read online and its not attributable - shame on you. Until the game referee/official comes on camera saying "I did check the balls with a gauge", I'll have to assume he didn't. Funny how the Patriots got into trouble during spy gate with a single camera but now with hundreds of cameras all over the stadium there hasn't been any suspicious activity reported - yet.

[Fly Rod]

Once the REFS inspect it is Refs responsibilty not the Pats...Refs inspect the balls it is their signature and everyone believes everything is fine......

Latest report is the balls were about a pound short....wait for commish report....

[Raven]

when does it become defamation of charater

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Btw, the NFL did not start this witch hunt. They are simply trying to decipher how the balls became under-inflated. They are doing their job.
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they leaked it to Mortensen
therefore, they started it

I think IMO Harbaugh bitched about or put a bug in the Colts ear about it, then it went from there.

And Bill did his job trying to find out how they came in under inflated, he came up with a plausible reason and I believe him. I have no reason not to believe him. With all the crap they endure, there is no possible chance anyone with the team did anything to alter the balls once they went to the ref. If there was any evidence instead of just accusations, then it would have been settled by now.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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I didn't say that the 12th ball was the correct pressure, just that it was reported that 11 of the 12 were under pressure. The 12 could have been under pressure as well but seeing how it was in possession of a biased team, they can't include that one as under inflated. Is that more clear? I see things the way I see them because I wear a Pats t shirt and care about the team enough to defend them. They don't deserve all this bashing and pig piling and being accused of cheating just because of their awesomeness and success

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Anyone here watch SNL last night.
Doubt the rest of the country sees it different than the fans in NE ???

I laughed and thought some of it was funny

but it wasn't spot on

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by hq2

Well, let's get all this straightened out here. We've taken care of the physics; we all agree that about .5 psi would occur due to cold. How about the issue of legal responsibility? As far as I know, the regulations state that the balls are to be at a pressure of 12.5-13.5 psi AT THE TIME OF THE GAME, not two hours
before when the refs check them. That means that, REGARDLESS of whatever the Patriots did with the balls before the game, they are LEGALLY RESPONSIBLE
for ensuring that the balls are at the right pressure at the TIME OF THE GAME. This means that is UP TO THE PATRIOTS to check them AT THE TIME OF THE
GAME to make sure they are in compliance. If they are not, then they have to notify the officials and make appropriate re-inflation measures with the officials.

The Patriots have used their procedures for quite a while, and have had ample opportunities to check what they did prior to game time to see what corrections
needed to be made. The fact that 11 out of 12 balls were under-inflated indicates that they DID NOT perform any appropriate checking at game time. Consequently, while they may not have been deliberately deflated, nonetheless the team would still be guilty of negligence, EVEN IF EVERYTHING BELICHICK SAID IS TRUE. Does this make sense, folks?

It makes perfect sense to me but you forget that they are not in possession of the balls before the game and are not allowed to check the air pressure, that is up the the refs. I would say that if there was a sting operation going on, then the NFL should have done that. I suppose at the next game maybe they will recheck them moments before gametime, or maybe they will prepare them long enough beforehand to get them tacky and allow time for equilibrium to take it's course now that they are aware of that. Does that make any sense?

Are the Seahawk players going to have to give blood samples pre-game to make certain they are not on drugs? where is this going to end? never I guess

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Raven

when does it become defamation of charater

LOOOOONG past that Raven

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Raven

when does it become defamation of charater

Its not when you are guilty......
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by iamskippy

Its when you are not guilty......
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Fixed it for you

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

It makes perfect sense to me but you forget that they are not in possession of the balls before the game and are not allowed to check the air pressure, that is up the the refs. I would say that if there was a sting operation going on, then the NFL should have done that. I suppose at the next game maybe they will recheck them moments before gametime, or maybe they will prepare them long enough beforehand to get them tacky and allow time for equilibrium to take it's course now that they are aware of that. Does that make any sense?

Are the Seahawk players going to have to give blood samples pre-game to make certain they are not on drugs? where is this going to end? never I guess

Pats picked up their biggest juicer. That is why he couldn't play the first 4 games Bruce.
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[DZ]

Seahawks?? Who are they?

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pats picked up their biggest juicer. That is why he couldn't play the first 4 games Bruce.
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biggest? as in height?

[Sea Dangles]

As in suspended for ped use
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[Raider Ronnie]

Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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Blame Indy !
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Monday morning and Deflategate is still the NFL topic of conversation throughout the country The week of the game instead of the game.
Can't be good !
Like I said.
This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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So what you are saying is that the Raiders showed the Pats how to cheat? But not how to lose?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

This will be their legacy.
Greatest run in NFL history, But......
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I think people are going to realize just how stupid this entire hype cycle really was.

[Got Stripers]

I know against Seattle is not going to happen, but boy wouldn't a big blow out win shut everyone up.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I know against Seattle is not going to happen, but boy wouldn't a big blow out win shut everyone up.

Even if the balls were checked by NASA every play the haters would still be claiming we cheated...

[Ed B]

There was talk of ticket prices for this game being low, and the general interest in the Pats saturated around the country due to their long term success, and the Seahawks far from a favorite team with their scandals. It makes you wonder how much of this talk is the media trying to create a hot story to artificially inflate some interest in less than fully inflated Super Bowl week.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So, common sense tells you that the intercepted ball is the one that had more air in it? Yet this is the ball that was the genesis of the entire controversy. You are good. I really want to believe the Pats , just that their story has more holes in it than most people (outside NE) can believe. I know it did not affect the game at all but anybody not wearing a Pats Tee shirt is understandably finding this tough to swallow. Common sense should tell you that.
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Could it have been the one they took from the back-up supply to replace the one that got picked? Are they required to have 12 balls in the game supply?

Players who make a monumental play--first career TD, first 100 yard rushing game, first 1000 yard season, DBs who make picks, and so on, almost always take the game ball of the play to the sideline for posterity. That's probably why teams are required to have a back-up supply. I've been watching football since 1961 and can't ever recall a situation where a ball was so damaged in play that it couldn't be used.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Mike P

Could it have been the one they took from the back-up supply to replace the one that got picked? Are they required to have 12 balls in the game supply?

It would certainly make sense that the backup balls if to be used by either team could/would be inflated or even prepped differently.

The more the Pats dig in the more I believe them. There's no way they could be sure evidence of tampering didn't exist if it indeed did.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by JohnR

So what you are saying is that the Raiders showed the Pats how to cheat? But not how to lose?

John.
I said from the start I thought this is silly.
The Raiders for 40 years prided themselves on playing outside the rules and if others down like it tough #^&#^&#^&#^&.
The Pats just the oposit.
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[Sea Dangles]

I wonder if the locker room attendant acted alone
Hmmm
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I wonder if the locker room attendant acted alone
Hmmm
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No, it was this crazy situation where the Pats balls deflated due to the temp and the Colts didn't. Likely there was a polar vortex caused by Bellychicks ego or Gisele's thigh gap that caused a lower temperature around the Patriots balls. The attendant is just a scapegoat for mother nature.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by zimmy

No, it was this crazy situation where the Pats balls deflated due to the temp and the Colts didn't. Likely there was a polar vortex caused by Bellychicks ego or Gisele's thigh gap that caused a lower temperature around the Patriots balls. The attendant is just a scapegoat for mother nature.

There's a perfectly good explanation for that. The Colts balls were inflated to the high end of the NFL regulation psi.
From what I understand they are looking at the 6 to 10 minute window from when the balls removed from the referees locker room and taken to the field.
Nothing will come out of this .
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[Nebe]

This is getting really old. WTF America ?
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[iamskippy]