Abuse of power

[Slipknot]

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/02/07/anoth...mnesty-policy/

you're either with us or against us

the Constitution is supreme and should be followed not tossed aside

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/02/07/anoth...mnesty-policy/

you're either with us or against us

the Constitution is supreme and should be followed not tossed aside

It's pretty obvious Spence hates this country and the constitution
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

It's pretty obvious Spence hates this country and the constitution
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Obviously.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

http://www.tpnn.com/2015/02/07/anoth...mnesty-policy/

you're either with us or against us

the Constitution is supreme and should be followed not tossed aside

Tragic, but what does the Constitution have to do with it?

Also to your link, what about Obama's policy constitutes "amnesty" and what about it contributed to this death?

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Tragic, but what does the Constitution have to do with it?

Also to your link, what about Obama's policy constitutes "amnesty" and what about it contributed to this death?

if he were not in this country, the victims would not be dead because of him. This is not a movie about butterfly effect, it's real life.


Constitution you ask??? Well the President is the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid.

[Slipknot]

truth
sad truth


keep your heads in the sand, I'll be with Andy gathering whatever means needed.


this guy is wicked smaht

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

if he were not in this country, the victims would not be dead because of him. This is not a movie about butterfly effect, it's real life.


Constitution you ask??? Well the President is the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid.

How does the executive action have any bearing on him being in this country illegally. Heck, if anything it will free up resources to prioritize criminals.

If the House de-funds the DHS as threatened how effective do you think our border enforcement will be?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

How does the executive action have any bearing on him being in this country illegally. Heck, if anything it will free up resources to prioritize criminals.

If executive action makes it easier and more comfortable for illegals to stay here, it would logically make it attractive for more to come. It might well even give illegals an attitude of entitlement, of a right to be here. That would, of course, include the illegal criminals who might be induced to think they have as much right to be here as our legal criminals. As well, it would give the presidential imprimatur of legalizing illegality. But no matter, legal illegality is good for the economy. And it would be a windfall for the big crony capitalist insurance companies, or at least the super-sized ones, to have Obamacare subsidies kick in to pay for the legal illegals healthcare.

If the House de-funds the DHS as threatened how effective do you think our border enforcement will be?

Probably as effective as it is now. In fact, if the federal government would let the states patrol their own borders, the enforcement might be even more effective.

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If executive action makes it easier and more comfortable for illegals to stay here, it would logically make it attractive for more to come. It might well even give illegals an attitude of entitlement, of a right to be here. That would, of course, include the illegal criminals who might be induced to think they have as much right to be here as our legal criminals. As well, it would give the presidential imprimatur of legalizing illegality. But no matter, legal illegality is good for the economy. And it would be a windfall for the big crony capitalist insurance companies, or at least the super-sized ones, to have Obamacare subsidies kick in to pay for the legal illegals healthcare.

Please explain how the action makes it any easier for criminals to come here, stay...or how they have any access to health care under the ACA.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Please explain how the action makes it any easier for criminals to come here, stay...or how they have any access to health care under the ACA.

My main point was not the criminals, but the other immigrants. The criminal bit was just a bit of sarc. But with some, though negligible, truth.

It is physically easy to cross the border. Psychologically it is not as easy. "Hiding in the shadows" is the more difficult part. Removing the fear of deportation makes it psychologically easier to stay. And though the action may only supposedly apply to the millions already here, the notion that we keep reneging on strict immigration enforcement is certainly not a deterrent to more coming. There is not only, among them, the perception that the next immigration "crisis" will result in the same forgiveness, but there is now a large and influential latino immigration lobby which will influence further immigration. Probably, the only thing, other than strict enforcement and border security, that can stop the flow, is lack of opportunity to find gainful employment. Though, from my personal observation in Southwest Detroit, which is heavily latino, many of them "undocumented," the immigrants don't depend just on jobs they can find, but on jobs they create. They can easily outbid indiginous Americans on all manner of construction, landscaping, repair work, and in creating restaurants and various service and retail outlets in the community. They do it cheaper, and live much more simply than the rest of us. My neighborhood, as well as most of Southwest Detroit, has been transformed into a Latino stronghold. They are far more prolific than others in making babies, and, demographically, their influence will grow.

It seems logical that if the reason for the ACA is supposedly to reduce the use of the ER, then millions of illegals who don't have insurance, and don't earn enough, will have to be subsidized.

BTW, executive action has been overused by Presidents, and it has been greatly misused. Executive action, constitutionally, would be appropriate only if it were action within the bounds of the President's enumerated powers. When it is used to create law, especially outside the scope of constitutional executive limitations, such as immigration law, rather than enforcing congressional law, it is unconstitutional. But that has just become a portion of the great flood of constitutional destruction which is washing away our legal foundation.