Rhode Island Charter Boat limit 1 or 2 fish

[Redsoxticket]

The 25% reduction of striped bass from the recs have a 100% chance of success (1 bass from 2 bass) and the for hire 25% reduction has a 0% probability of success (2 bass before 2 bass proposed) and Collectively the probability would be 50% ( 100% probability recs + 0% probability "for hires" divide by 2 is 50% probability
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Redsoxticket

The 25% reduction of striped bass from the recs have a 100% chance of success (1 bass from 2 bass) and the for hire 25% reduction has a 0% probability of success (2 bass before 2 bass proposed) and Collectively the probability would be 50% ( 100% probability recs + 0% probability "for hires" divide by 2 is 50% probability
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If it was 2 @ 28 inches your theory might hold water. Would your probability of catching one from shore stay the same if it was 1 @ 33 inches?
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

Would your probability of catching one from shore stay the same if it was 1 @ 33 inches?
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Yes it would stay the same.
catching, and keeping are 2 very different things.
The probability of catching a 33" fish is still the same.

[JohnR]

Interesting results - more consistent than I thought we would see.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Yes it would stay the same.
catching, and keeping are 2 very different things.
The probability of catching a 33" fish is still the same.

Sounds like you could have a job in fisheries management 😂
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

Sounds like you could have a job in fisheries management 😂
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Did you graduate from high school ?
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by buckman

Would your probability of catching one from shore stay the same if it was 1 @ 33 inches?
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OK one more time, I'll try to be a little more clear with my common sense here.

It does not matter whether the limit to keep a bass is 20 inches or 30 inches, the probability stays the same of your chances of catching a 33 inch bass. Just like it is the same to catch a 50 pounder no matter what the legal length is to keep one.

Fisheries management manages to have maximum yeild, I think we would all benefit if they managed for maximum sustainable population at a diverse spread of age and size so that there is not some kind of huge void of let's just say for instance hardly any 20-25 pound fish or not enough 32" fish for example.

I have common sense, not a fisheries management degree, I'll stick to making boxes.

Whatever RI does, it does. We will have to live with it for 3 years.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

OK one more time, I'll try to be a little more clear with my common sense here.

It does not matter whether the limit to keep a bass is 20 inches or 30 inches, the probability stays the same of your chances of catching a 33 inch bass. Just like it is the same to catch a 50 pounder no matter what the legal length is to keep one.

Fisheries management manages to have maximum yeild, I think we would all benefit if they managed for maximum sustainable population at a diverse spread of age and size so that there is not some kind of huge void of let's just say for instance hardly any 20-25 pound fish or not enough 32" fish for example.

I have common sense, not a fisheries management degree, I'll stick to making boxes.

Whatever RI does, it does. We will have to live with it for 3 years.

I Agree with what you are saying but that was not my point and I believe you know that.
If you could only keep a fish 33 inches or above your chances of bringing home a fish to eat are a lot less then if you can bring home a fish 28 inches and above. That's just speaking from my experience maybe you guys are better at targeting the big fish.
I hope that is clear.

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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by buckman

I Agree with what you are saying but that was not my point and I believe you know that.
If you could only keep a fish 33 inches or above your chances of bringing home a fish to eat are a lot less then if you can bring home a fish 28 inches and above. That's just speaking from my experience maybe you guys are better at targeting the big fish.
I hope that is clear.

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I would say my chance of catching a 28" fish is a tiny bit better than a 33 but I don't chase those. Probably the same for most here. Coastwide, might make a little more difference but not drastically.

That said different year classes being missing / wiped out will make that more hit or miss as you drill down. The larger you make the minimum size, the more year classes you protect a little longer.

[Bill L]

In RI the charter fleet has no problem finding fish over 32 inches at the Block. Business as usual, no reduction in fish taken
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[Slipknot]

It is a weak a$$ excuse to use the we will lose money if our customers can't have a chance to keep 2 fish if the limit goes to one at 28". How about the tackle shops all along the coast (except NJ) who have to accept the fact that THEIR customers will now only be able to keep one fish @ 28" so seeing as how that is now now longer 2 per day, it will impact THEIR business in loss of customers, but for some power struggle driven reason, the Charter businesses who think their business will be hurt want a "special" conservation equivalency for their particular user group. I call horse shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit on that crap. They have no justification.

The fisheries managers need to stop trying to please everyone and realize they need to do the right thing and give the fish a better than 50/50 shot at survival. One at 32" or 34" would be better, or a graduated limit would be fine also to protect the 2011 year class, like 28" this year, then 30" then 32". Their scientists need to grow a set of balls and speak up or find another job.


It has gone beyond ridiculousness long enough

[PaulS]

I guess there are atleast 5 who make $ off SB.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I guess there are atleast 5 who make $ off SB.

If you include plug makers its many many more. Maybe they can make hookless plugs and sell the experience 😊 we can all agree that a number of fish die after a release

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[PaulS]

And I'll bet that most of the plug makers who voted above voted for 1 fish. I agree that a number of fish die after release. I think we all can also agree that keeping 2 fish kills twice as many fish as keeping 1 fish.

[Sea Dangles]

I am guessing I average 10 fish over 33 to 1 over 28

And yeah, Nebe is too dope!
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[Sundowner]

This is ridiculous. Let's end a species or reduce it to the point that we have to have this argument so that some people can have 2 instead of one. This is the problem with humanity-take take take till there is nothing left to give. There are plenty of other fish in this ocean that fight harder and taste better (never mind the mercury) than striper. You want two stripers instead of one, buy a fishing pole and catch it your damn self tomorrow.

Like I believe someone mentioned, did we get into fishing to make money or memories? What would the person who took you fishing for the first time say?

And if a charter can't catch fish over 28, 33 whatever, either you suck or there aren't any fish, pick one and re-evaluate.

[Nebe]

Better yet... What are your grand kids gonna say?
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[afterhours]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Better yet... What are your grand kids gonna say?
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"gramps what were striped bass?"

[Sea Dangles]

Why take a bass charter in Mass Bay to "fight" 2 fish that weigh 15 lbs each anyhow? If that is an unlikely scenario or considered a good day,then it seems a tough sell Buck.
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[Linesider82]

1200 per trip + 240 tip ...................... I better be catching shark and tuna for that price

[iamskippy]

Originally Posted by Linesider82

1200 per trip + 240 tip ...................... I better be catching shark and tuna for that price

I agree and it better be a weekend long trip..
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Linesider82

1200 per trip + 240 tip ...................... I better be catching shark and tuna for that price

Good to see you agree with me.
And let's not forget, if you cant catch a 1000 pound tuna every trip you either suck or there's not enough thousand pound tuna in the ocean
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[Sundowner]

Originally Posted by buckman

Good to see you agree with me.
And let's not forget, if you cant catch a 1000 pound tuna every trip you either suck or there's not enough thousand pound tuna in the ocean
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We are not talking about tuna.

[striperswiper75]

It seems the charter captains in CT now support the 1@28" concept.
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[ivanputski]

Truly a ridiculous debate to be having...

lets keep Rhode Island regulations so as to be more inviting for a van full of jersey guys, and meat fishermen (who derive little pleasure from the act of fishing and are in it for the fillets) will keep coming to Rhode island...maybe we can have a new state slogan to help drive business:
"FISH RHODE ISLAND: The oasis of striped bass meat, surrounded by a desert of 1-fish common sense states"

Again... its clear as crystal to see... charter captains (at least from what I gather in this thread) don't care about how much meat their clients are going home with, just how much money they themselves are going home with. That seems to be the reoccurring argument.
If a van full of guys stay in Jersey... good.
If a guy who doesnt enjoy fishing enough to even bother going if
he cant keep enough meat stays home... Oh well.

Why keep fighting so hard to protect the ability to kill 2 fish for guys with the least interest in the striped bass fishery? Oh yeah... we're not... the fight is
to protect income for charters, regardless of what it does to the population.

This is getting really old.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

Truly a ridiculous debate to be having...

lets keep Rhode Island regulations so as to be more inviting for a van full of jersey guys, and meat fishermen (who derive little pleasure from the act of fishing and are in it for the fillets) will keep coming to Rhode island...maybe we can have a new state slogan to help drive business:
"FISH RHODE ISLAND: The oasis of striped bass meat, surrounded by a desert of 1-fish common sense states"

Again... its clear as crystal to see... charter captains (at least from what I gather in this thread) don't care about how much meat their clients are going home with, just how much money they themselves are going home with. That seems to be the reoccurring argument.
If a van full of guys stay in Jersey... good.
If a guy who doesnt enjoy fishing enough to even bother going if
he cant keep enough meat stays home... Oh well.

Why keep fighting so hard to protect the ability to kill 2 fish for guys with the least interest in the striped bass fishery? Oh yeah... we're not... the fight is
to protect income for charters, regardless of what it does to the population.

This is getting really old.

I'm done too. If your worried charter boats are going to kill mass amounts of Stripers on every trip then there isn't a population problem. ( flipped your BS there ) There is a whole economy that surrounds these boats.
The selfish ones want the fish to be " game fish status "
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[PaulS]

I'm a selfish 1.

[Linesider82]

"Game Fish Status" is seriously misunderstood.

As a game fish, striped bass would not be commercially fished and not sold in restaurants.

Recreational anglers including charters would still be able to fish for and KEEP striped bass. Game Fish Status only removes commercial fishermen from the equation.

To the commercial fishermen's credit, they are documenting every single bass caught and have remained at a flat-lined level of harvest for quite some time.

In regards to the economy surrounding striped bass, yes there is an entire vertical economy that does not center around any single contingent of fishermen. Commercial boats pay for slips, gas, maintainance, create jobs, and supply restaurants / markets with a food commodity. For-Hires offer people the opportunity to go fishing and experience the ocean and the fish without having to own or lug around any fishing gear. The average recreational angler is hands-down the largest factor in the fishing economy, they own boats just like charter capts. do, but there are a lot more of them... then you think of the lowly shore anglers... with their rod, reel and plug bag, and at the surface yes they don't appear to spend much money. Then you go to their house and realize their garage or basements are nearly complete tackle shops. I'm not trying to say that every angler spends un-godly amounts of money on fishing, but I am trying to say that every component of those that make up this fishery, comm, rec, for-hire, make up equal parts. So to give one segment special treatment because their business model is to kill two fish, I sorry but that is absurd.

[ivanputski]

"If your worried charter boats are going to kill mass amounts of Stripers on every trip then there isn't a population problem. "

Im not worried about "mass amounts every trip" as you stated.

The concern comes from giving hundreds of charter boats, making many trips per season, the option to keep double the fish. The end result of hundreds of charter boats keeping double = mass amounts over the course of a season

little things, done consistently, over time, have the greatest effect when seeking lasting change.
That holds true for anything in life... weight loss, diets, rebuilding a fish population, or contributing to the reduction of it.

[ivanputski]

So is speeding, or texting while driving...

but many play the odds, especially when profitable to do so.