so i got to thinking...

[ProfessorM]

Originally Posted by big jay

What are we doing to help?

We just took a 50% reduction in our daily bag limit. As a charter operation, that had the potential to hurt our business, but we took what we felt was the long term approach to managing the future.

30+ pages bitching and complaining, Mass stood up, took a big reduction, and no one here even acknowledged it.
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I will acknowledge it Jay. Step in the right direction. I know it
may hurt you and your dads biz a bit and glad your on board. A cut in the comm. take and a cut in the rec. take. All good and needed steps. So like you state we need to be happy measures are taking place. Some will say not enough and some will say too much but everyone will not be happy but at least the ball is rolling.
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[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

fishing freak acknowledged it

maybe you missed Patricks' thread

maybe Patrick could come here and acknowledge he holds a commercial permit on his boat also
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[Nebe]

Big jay. Thank you for your support ! I think some of us in Rhode Island have been hyper focused on only what is happening in Rhode Island.
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[beamie]

We are really all hypocrites unless you take all your fishing gear and lock it up for a number of years. Doesn't matter if your a rec, c&r, comm, charter, plug maker, tackle seller, interweb board member, club member.

The 9% release mortality rate does not discriminate, period.

Those of you that say you only keep a few a year for the table but c&r thousands have actually killed hundreds.....sorry, did I make you feel bad.....

Dead is dead.........it is called life and having fun.

When I think about it, I have killed allot of bass...........and so have you all.

So unless you pick up the golf clubs and sell all your fishing gear for 10 years we really talking about nothing.

Going to 1 @ 28 for a bit may be in the right direction to see where this is all headed. Unfortunatly, I don't think it will unless done ALL up and down the coast......and even this is a stretch. I put more of the blame on cyclical environmental conditions, gill nets, dragger bycatch, low inshore bait etc.

See you on the water.

[MAKAI]

No way you can make me feel bad about the C&R mortality, quite aware of it, price of business.
I agree that fishing kills no matter what you do, I just try to minimize what I can. I'd keep more bass if I liked eating them, I don't.





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[thefishingfreak]

Blaming charter boats for lack of shore sucess is the new kool.
Boat fish don't count




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[MAKAI]

Actually saw one of those bags of puss on Wollaston beach just before it froze over 2 months ago.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by beamie

We are really all hypocrites unless you take all your fishing gear and lock it up for a number of years. Doesn't matter if your a rec, c&r, comm, charter, plug maker, tackle seller, interweb board member, club member.

The 9% release mortality rate does not discriminate, period.

Those of you that say you only keep a few a year for the table but c&r thousands have actually killed hundreds.....sorry, did I make you feel bad.....

Dead is dead.........it is called life and having fun.

When I think about it, I have killed allot of bass...........and so have you all.

So unless you pick up the golf clubs and sell all your fishing gear for 10 years we really talking about nothing.

Going to 1 @ 28 for a bit may be in the right direction to see where this is all headed. Unfortunatly, I don't think it will unless done ALL up and down the coast......and even this is a stretch. I put more of the blame on cyclical environmental conditions, gill nets, dragger bycatch, low inshore bait etc.

See you on the water.

I hung up my rods 2 years ago.
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[JohnR]

BigJay - major Kudos to Mass for doing the responsible thing here.

Originally Posted by buckman

I'm not ready to give the stripers Piping Plover status quite yet . For those that are predicting " no fish for our kids " and other extreme outlooks then yes you are hypocritical if you sell tackle or even run a web site that promotes the catching of striped bass . Telling others they are greedy for selling fish or the chance to catch a fish and then satisfying your own hobby isn't cool.
The resource can be managed as a renewable one and it will be .
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As do people that kill what they catch - the difference is in the degrees. Do RI Charters keeping 2 fish, which slightly elevates, the total take, take less per person than those fishing recreationally? No.

Some charters may decide to keep just one or even none but it is better than two. I release 99+% of what I catch. Do you?

What tremendous amounts of money I do make on this site (trust me, it is not tremendous ), some goes back in to promote responsible fishing practices.

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Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Custom plugs don't kill any fish ? Haven't seen 1 with rubber hooks.
And last I checked custom plugs are not being given away free, matter of fact lots sell for stupid $


yup- money for nothing and chicks for free . of course anyone who fishes will kill some fish, even the most skilled c@r will tell you this. the generally accepted kill rate for is 9%, compared to 100% for fish kept. most of my customers practice c&r for the most part with the occasional fish kept for the table. i believe it's possible to profit from this fishery and and promote conservation. i would think that anyone who profits from this fishery would want it to flourish for obvious reasons.

And Ron - Charter Captains should be looking for a very healthy fishery as that benefits them as well.

A health fishery benefits EVERYONE that has an interest in stripers.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by beamie

We are really all hypocrites unless you take all your fishing gear and lock it up for a number of years. Doesn't matter if your a rec, c&r, comm, charter, plug maker, tackle seller, interweb board member, club member.

The 9% release mortality rate does not discriminate, period.

Those of you that say you only keep a few a year for the table but c&r thousands have actually killed hundreds.....sorry, did I make you feel bad.....

Dead is dead.........it is called life and having fun.

When I think about it, I have killed allot of bass...........and so have you all.

So unless you pick up the golf clubs and sell all your fishing gear for 10 years we really talking about nothing.

Going to 1 @ 28 for a bit may be in the right direction to see where this is all headed. Unfortunatly, I don't think it will unless done ALL up and down the coast......and even this is a stretch. I put more of the blame on cyclical environmental conditions, gill nets, dragger bycatch, low inshore bait etc.

See you on the water.

Well said !
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[striperswiper75]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

Blaming charter boats for lack of shore sucess is the new kool.
Boat fish don't count




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I didn't realize seals were a such a problem from NC to ME. I just assumed it was a lack of fish. I guess I am not seeing these seals storming the beaches here in CT; must be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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[Rappin Mikey]

Seals are way better fisherman than we. Any fish that had in their DNA to feed in shore has been wiped out. Cutting our numbers down will help the cause. We must do something about them! I haven't caught a dog fish, skate, fluke, flounder, sculpin, snagged a sand eel, seen a blue fish bliz from Shore , in years on the outer Cape since the seal crap happened. Just sayin

[Rappin Mikey]

Trash fish used to be fun on a slow day for the kids on a hi-lo rig. No mas. Forget about getting a trophy on sand eels out there anymore. All those fish that used to hug the shore during the migration have been slaughtered.

[Raider Ronnie]

And Ron - Charter Captains should be looking for a very healthy fishery as that benefits them as well.

A health fishery benefits EVERYONE that has an interest in stripers.[/QUOTE]



John,
Do you really think charter captains don't want a healthy fishery ?
This site is full of Hypocrites who say 1 thing and do another and there is lots here making $ off the fish.
This crap of guys are posting stuff like charters want 2 fish so they can sell them back door and we want to kill every fish possible is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

John,
Do you really think charter captains don't want a healthy fishery ?
This site is full of Hypocrites who say 1 thing and do another and there is lots here making $ off the fish.
This crap of guys are posting stuff like charters want 2 fish so they can sell them back door and we want to kill every fish possible is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

Ron - let me post this is in big and clear text.

Regardless if you make money off of them or not, whether you:

Commercially Fish for them
Sell the meat to others
Sell the Experience to others
Run a website
Sell tackle
Make tackle
Sell videos, Books, Artwork, jewelry or tattoos
Are a hardcore bass addict or you are a freickin beach bum with a passing interest in striped bass

The fishery benefits from having a better, thriving fishery with good numbers of fish distributed across all year classes.

As anglers, it behooves us to protect this fishery.

I am such a hypocrite that for 6-7 years now I have been an advocate for going back to pre-2006 Rec/Comm regulations, and then taking off another 33% of the take.

And yes, those numbers would require a closed season for recreational.

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Do you really think charter captains don't want a healthy fishery ?

You seem to want every fish you can get your hands on - if not, then what do you want. What do YOU define as a healthy fishery?

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Ron - let me post this is in big and clear text.

Regardless if you make money off of them or not, whether you:

Commercially Fish for them
Sell the meat to others
Sell the Experience to others
Run a website
Sell tackle
Make tackle
Sell videos, Books, Artwork, jewelry or tattoos
Are a hardcore bass addict or you are a freickin beach bum with a passing interest in striped bass

The fishery benefits from having a better, thriving fishery with good numbers of fish distributed across all year classes.

As anglers, it behooves us to protect this fishery.

I am such a hypocrite that for 6-7 years now I have been an advocate for going back to pre-2006 Rec/Comm regulations, and then taking off another 33% of the take.

And yes, those numbers would require a closed season for recreational.



You seem to want every fish you can get your hands on - if not, then what do you want. What do YOU define as a healthy fishery?

When was the last year you entered SB in the On the Water tournament?
That speaks , with volume...
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

When was the last year you entered SB in the On the Water tournament?
That speaks , with volume...
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3-4 years ago?

There was increasing concern over the condition of the fishery. People from here brought it up one year, voiced concerns, and we stayed in - one last push with an option to go in or out the following year. The next year, we opted out and did not enter a team.

[Sea Dangles]

You understand that it contradicts your previous position about 6 or 7 years I hope.

Glad you decided not to endorse that tournament none the less.
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[zimmy]

Originally Posted by thefishingfreak

Blaming charter boats for lack of shore sucess is the new kool.
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Why do a couple of you keep rerunning this line? I haven't seen one post solely blaming charter boats. Let me make it simple for you. We are all the problem and 2@ for charter boats is bs.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

You understand that it contradicts your previous position about 6 or 7 years I hope.

Glad you decided not to endorse that tournament none the less.
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6-7 years ago we decided to fish the Cup but made a consious effort to enter less fish in the process of participating. As things continued to degrade, we chose not to field a team. Watch, modify, adapt.

[Raider Ronnie]

You seem to want every fish you can get your hands on - if not, then what do you want. What do YOU define as a healthy fishery?[/QUOTE]



"Healthy fishery"
Recreational guys/girls retire all their fishing gear and take up golf as some here say they are planning. When they get tired of golf and feel the need to go fishing, they book a charter !
That would be healthy to me !

[scottw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by big jay View Post
What are we doing to help?

We just took a 50% reduction in our daily bag limit. As a charter operation, that had the potential to hurt our business, but we took what we felt was the long term approach to managing the future.

30+ pages bitching and complaining, Mass stood up, took a big reduction, and no one here even acknowledged it.
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Originally Posted by ProfessorM

I will acknowledge it Jay. Step in the right direction. I know it
may hurt you and your dads biz a bit and glad your on board. A cut in the comm. take and a cut in the rec. take. All good and needed steps. So like you state we need to be happy measures are taking place. Some will say not enough and some will say too much but everyone will not be happy but at least the ball is rolling.
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I believe that was huge...i was told by a member at of the Cape Cod Salties that when it was announced at their meeting that the CC Charterboat Ass. was supporting 1 fish all modes it drew a standing ovation and I believe it was probably the crucial component to Mass going 1 bass without all of the consternation that RI currently finds itself embroiled in....