NFL is problem not Pats

[FishermanTim]

So, in the interim, exactly what steps has the NFL taken regarding the epidemic of concussions and the increasing numbers of player assault cases???

Surely they would seem to have more IMMEDIATE bearing on the league as a whole than whether or not balls were under-inflated?

Seems that the NFL is looking for a quick payday on "deflate-gate" and possibly hoping the concussing problem will "take care" of themselves (like Junior Seau). Heck, they didn't have to lift a finger or spend a penny to get rid if Hernandez. Maybe they expect the legal world to pay for the NFL's problem players?

I say appeal and then sue and then play each game as if no score is safe, and no player is safe from LEGAL hits!

[Raider Ronnie]

It's a very good day for Jimmy Garoppolo :-p
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

It's a very good day for Jimmy Garoppolo :-p
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Hard to find any silver lining in the absolute screwing the NFL just gave us, but it will be fun to see what the kid can do. It would be poetic justice for him to go 4-0, Tom come in and just crush the rest of the teams and go undefeated to a 5th SB. Yeah I'm a dreamer, but the NFL deserves it and wouldn't that piss all the Pats haters off.

[Slipknot]

Ya it would Bob, but the haters would still put asterisks on it anyway.

[Slipknot]

If 4 games hold up, I see the score in the Indy game being 78 - 0

Kraft is PISSED
and the players are pissed

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

Ya it would Bob, but the haters would still put asterisks on it anyway.

I was wondering when you would start calling people haters again.

[wader-dad]

I understand you guys are upset- but when the report came out that video surveillance showed a Patriot employee taking all the game balls into a private bathroom with 10 minutes remaining before kickoff- didn't you say to yourself- uh that's not good. Wasn't that kind of bad news?

[Raven]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Hard to find any silver lining in the absolute screwing the NFL just gave us, but it will be fun to see what the kid can do. It would be poetic justice for him to go 4-0, Tom come in and just crush the rest of the teams and go undefeated to a 5th SB. Yeah I'm a dreamer, but the NFL deserves it and wouldn't that piss all the Pats haters off.

hey I LIKE IT i'll go with that dream

[spence]

Originally Posted by wader-dad

I understand you guys are upset- but when the report came out that video surveillance showed a Patriot employee taking all the game balls into a private bathroom with 10 minutes remaining before kickoff- didn't you say to yourself- uh that's not good. Wasn't that kind of bad news?

90 seconds. Assume 30 seconds to get situated and exit and that's what about 5 seconds a ball to remove a very specific amount of air...

What do you think he was a wizard?

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I was wondering when you would start calling people haters again.

?

I was responding to the comment above mine.
what are we supposed to call fans who hate the Patriots?

[Got Stripers]

You can knock your girlfriend out, get caught on film dragging her lifeless body out of an elevator and only get a 2 game suspension.

You get caught warming balls and get a warning, or rubbing them down with sticky substance and get $20,000 fine, so where is the equity in this similar tampering offense?

So inequitable, so unfair, loosing a first round pick is really not right; their own report suggests no other personnel were involved.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

?

I was responding to the comment above mine.
what are we supposed to call fans who hate the Patriots?

You're supposed to capitalize it.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

?

I was responding to the comment above mine.
what are we supposed to call fans who hate the Patriots?

Ok, apologist

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You can knock your girlfriend out, get caught on film dragging her lifeless body out of an elevator and only get a 2 game suspension.

You get caught warming balls and get a warning, or rubbing them down with sticky substance and get $20,000 fine, so where is the equity in this similar tampering offense?

So inequitable, so unfair, loosing a first round pick is really not right; their own report suggests no other personnel were involved.

The penalty was bc it dealt with a level playing field and the integrity of the game. In many instances lying to someone about the coverup causes more penalties then if you come clean. The league felt they weren't honest.

You guys should be mad at Brady's attorney and whomever gave him the advice to not turn his text messages over to the league since they supposedely would have cleared him of any wrong doing. Those people caused his 4 games suspension.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

90 seconds. Assume 30 seconds to get situated and exit and that's what about 5 seconds a ball to remove a very specific amount of air...

What do you think he was a wizard?

You ever stick an air pin in a ball and deflate it? If your pump has a button that lets air out, it can be done in 5 sec.

Your a biker, doesn't your air pump have what I'll call a quick release button to quickly dump the air out of it? Mine does.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Ok, apologist



The penalty was bc it dealt with a level playing field and the integrity of the game. In many instances lying to someone about the coverup causes more penalties then if you come clean. The league felt they weren't honest.

You guys should be mad at Brady's attorney and whomever gave him the advice to not turn his text messages over to the league since they supposedely would have cleared him of any wrong doing. Those people caused his 4 games suspension.

The Players Union was adamant that he not turn over his email or phone records due to A. this NOT being a legal inquiry or proceeding, and B due to the precedent it would set.

Bottom line is the League desperately needs to get its priorities in order........

[PaulS]

So he is going to take a 4 game suspension bc he doesn't want to go against the union? That would mean his allegiance lies with the union and not the Patriots. I don't believe that.
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[afterhours]

i hear brady retained jeffery kessler, hopefully they come out swimging.

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You guys should be mad at Brady's attorney and whomever gave him the advice to not turn his text messages over to the league since they supposedely would have cleared him of any wrong doing. Those people caused his 4 games suspension.

You say that but as a member of
The NFLPA it is my understanding they have no legal right to his personal items. Not to mention no one in the league office handed over their personal communication devices during the ray rice investigation(double standard)

This is also easy pickings. No one is talking about domestic abuse, concussions etc. Goodell poked the bear. He did it holding pillows, while his organization leaked like a sieve. The whole thing stinks and it all boils down to butt hurt in the NFL office from I resign as HC PF NYJ
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[Raven]

there should be an app that AUTO deletes all stored info
problem is...if your phone gets hacked, they can actuate it.

[Cool Beans]

Reset to default function on most phones...

Also many phones can be wiped remotely. I know as a Blackberry administrator for the navy I could remotely wipe any misplaced phone or if needed we could "brick them" disabling the operating system for stolen phones.

Trouble is if a phone is conveniently wiped then if the investigation changed from administrative to legal, then now you get hit for destroying evidence and obstructing justice.

Handing over a company phone is one thing, but nobody should ever turn over their personal phone, unless required by law.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So he is going to take a 4 game suspension bc he doesn't want to go against the union? That would mean his allegiance lies with the union and not the Patriots. I don't believe that.
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Exactly. Something isn't right about that.... He'll appeal, get 1 or 2 games, and some guilt will remain implied...

[fishbones]

He may end up with one game, but possibly none after Kessler is done with them.
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[Slipknot]

He is not going to just take a 4 game suspension!
He did not lie, he did not deflate balls, had no knowledge of it and has been called a liar by Wells. I don't blame him for not giving them the texts, I would not trust Wells either.
He will appeal this but will never get back his reputation, the damage is done and that is a shame.
If it goes to court, he will not be worried about how Wells will interpret his texts because he has nothing to hide. The emails and texts would have to be allowed if it goes to court.
The whole thing is a mess

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

He did not lie, he did not deflate balls, had no knowledge of it

[Sea Dangles]

Slip also believes in the Easter Bunny.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

My issue isn't that Brady likes his footballs a certain way on the low end of the spectrum....its the fact that 31 other starting QB's in the NFL like them a certain way as well and its a Non-issue. Aaron rogers admitted he had his over-inflated and hoped that the refs didn't catch him.....non-issue.

...and to spend last week talking about how the report said there was no evidence at all that the organization and/or Bill B had any knowledge of it.....and then whack them with a million dollar fine and loss of two draft picks is complete BS.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Slip also believes in the Easter Bunny.
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Tom can do no wrong, don't you know that...

I don't put Slip in this category, but I listen to WEEI, and think half of the fans they talk to would support Brady if he 'Ray Riced' Giselle..

I can just hear the call now 'Well Callahan, that Brazilian B---- clearly had it coming'

[piemma]

Look, Brady cheated or someone on the Patriots cheated. Does the punishment fit the crime, NO. Should there be some kind of fine and suspension, absolutely.
So the suspension will get reduced to 2 games, maybe 1. The fine will get reduced to $500K and they will still loose their 1st round pick.

I think the more salient point is that Brady's reputation has been tarnished. Regardless of the adjudication, "you can't un-ring the bell".

[MAKAI]

Think the Pats will be playing a little edgy next year ?
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

My issue isn't that Brady likes his footballs a certain way on the low end of the spectrum....its the fact that 31 other starting QB's in the NFL like them a certain way as well and its a Non-issue. Aaron rogers admitted he had his over-inflated and hoped that the refs didn't catch him.....non-issue.

...and to spend last week talking about how the report said there was no evidence at all that the organization and/or Bill B had any knowledge of it.....and then whack them with a million dollar fine and loss of two draft picks is complete BS.

None of the other 31 were caught cheating.
Big difference.

Kind of like getting a ticket for drunk driving and saying "I am sure there were other drivers over the limit that evening ociffer.
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