NFL is problem not Pats

[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Lance Armstrong had people who believed him too
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He also had real accusers with evidence of wrongdoing. Not leaks that were 100% FALSE intended to sway public favor away from the individual being Questioned. Brady has never ONCE been subject of league discipline. In a 15 year career. It is about more than sitting down for a game or four.

We have a report with guesses that favor the league which has given Wells 45 yes FORTY FIVE million dollars for two investigations!!! Reported by Adam Schefter this AM. He also reported the league told the Patriots to suspend McNally and Jastremski. Also makes Patriots look bad (pin the blame on the little guy).

The longer this goes on and the more FACTUAL info that is released the more it looks like the league is railroading the Pats.

Fans across the country rejoice you can now rationalize that a fraction of a PSI is why your team is not competitive year after year.
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[Sea Dangles]

Since I was young I have learned that where there is smoke you will usually find fire
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[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

BTW, branding us as cheaters had nothing to do with spy gate but the shoe still fit.
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Which if you remember correctly was 100% admitted to and Belichick felt he had mis interpreted the rules. Not to mention the entire country created BS about locker room microphones and taped practices and Goodell and Kraft conspired to destroy the tapes.

Why would these guys go to the gallows over the PSI of footballs when they have been fully cooperative in the past. The whole thing stinks
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[Jackbass]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Since I was young I have learned that where there is smoke you will usually find fire
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I agree with you but my question is who is holding the matches. I honestly do not beleive there was in any way an attempt to play with substandard equipment. I beleive the intent was to have the equipment at 12.5 or what ever the minimum is and through investigation assumptions have been made regarding very pertinent, pieces of equipment (air gauges) which one was used where and when on which footballs at which time, intent of texts. Every time a text suited the NFL's argument it was factual, every time it favored the patriots wells assumed it was a joke.

I feel like the texts were banter between two guys that were screwing around for a laugh at their employers expense. You're telling me neither of these guys would have come forward with something concrete at this point.
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[Raider Ronnie]

No comments about Mr. Kraft's decision today from all the Pats Homers or was there a mass suicide ?
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So they agreed to suspend two employees who they felt had nothing to do with this bc the balls where deflated "due to science"?

Nice way to treat your employees.

No one said they agreed
They went along with it as requested, the NFL can't suspend employees of teams themselves.
What does it matter

Now Kraft is dropping the hose job they have received but Brady sure won't
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

No comments about Mr. Kraft's decision today from all the Pats Homers or was there a mass suicide ?
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No, it makes perfect sense.

Kraft is heading to the owners meeting and doesn't want to look like he's gone rogue given his leadership position, in fact, now he can position himself as taking one for the owners and generate sympathy...his support for Brady has never wavered.

The union on the other hand moves forward with the appeal to protect the player who's been wronged.

It's just a classic good cop bad cop.

[Sea Dangles]

This was Kraftys confession
Or concession
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[Raider Ronnie]

[QUOTE=spence;1073031]No, it makes perfect sense.

Kraft is heading to the owners meeting and doesn't want to look like he's gone rogue given his leadership position, in fact, now he can position himself as taking one for the owners and generate sympathy...his support for Brady has never wavered.



1 million dollar fine, loss of a 1st round draft pick next year and a 4th the year after and labeled cheaters.......

Keep telling yourself that Spence

[Jackbass]

Not everyone is lining up to be Al Davis
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[MAKAI]

Just win baby !
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

No, it makes perfect sense.

Kraft is heading to the owners meeting and doesn't want to look like he's gone rogue given his leadership position, in fact, now he can position himself as taking one for the owners and generate sympathy...his support for Brady has never wavered.

The union on the other hand moves forward with the appeal to protect the plaayer who's been wronged.

It's just a classic good cop bad cop.

This move by Kraft does anything but show support for Brady. The union also appealed the punishment for Rice and Peterson who they also felt had been wronged. Move along Jeff,nothing to see here anymore.
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[PaulS]

Earlier in the week ESPN said there was "back channel" discussions bt the NFL and Pats. about this. They prob. ended up agreeing that the Pats would drop their appeal and Brady's suspension will be shortened.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jackbass

He also had real accusers with evidence of wrongdoing.

I don't even think that's the big difference. If Lance didn't blood dope and use EPO, well, if Lance and his entire teams didn't blood dope and use EPO his number of TDF victories would most likely be ZERO.

God forbid Brady did tweak his ball pressure he's still most likely a repeat Super Bowl Champion.

Even uttering their names in the same sentence is offensive.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This move by Kraft does anything but show support for Brady. The union also appealed the punishment for Rice and Peterson who they also felt had been wronged. Move along Jeff,nothing to see here anymore.
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It's a pretty obvious negotiation. Keep down this road and you're going to be a full fledged Jets fan pretty soon.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't even think that's the big difference. If Lance didn't blood dope and use EPO, well, if Lance and his entire teams didn't blood dope and use EPO his number of TDF victories would most likely be ZERO.

God forbid Brady did tweak his ball pressure he's still most likely a repeat Super Bowl Champion.

Even uttering their names in the same sentence is offensive.

In the context where they each did something wrong(which Kraft basically conceded) and then denied it,there are parallels.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

It's a pretty obvious negotiation. Keep down this road and you're going to be a full fledged Jets fan pretty soon.

I agree about the negotiation and desperately attempting to allow TB to save face somehow. Does clarity make me a Jets fan in your world?

So we lose a #1 and 4. Pay the largest fine ever in the NFL ,yet we admitted nothing? If Brady's suspension is reduced does that mean he is innocent? What a world you live in....stay golden Jeff
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

In the context where they each did something wrong(which Kraft basically conceded) and then denied it,there are parallels.
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Good lord that's a loose standard.

[Raven]

this may sound strange
but i envisioned 1 million junior (kids) Patriot fans
sending a single dollar via US Mail to Uncle Bob Kraft
from their little Piggy banks..... ( to thumb nose the NFL)
then Owner Kraft Matches the Million
and uses it to make the team EVEN Better

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I agree about the negotiation and desperately attempting to allow TB to save face somehow. Does clarity make me a Jets fan in your world?

So we lose a #1 and 4. Pay the largest fine ever in the NFL ,yet we admitted nothing? If Brady's suspension is reduced does that mean he is innocent? What a world you live in....stay golden Jeff
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It's a business decision, sometimes it's just easier to let it go than fight. Doesn't mean you're guilty.

Either Kraft struck a deal or there's a yet to be revealed smoking gun.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by MAKAI

Just win baby !
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Yup.
that's what AL Davis did for years all while saying FU to Pete Rozelle !
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[MAKAI]

Embrace the hate !
A great motivator indeed.
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[DZ]

It sure appears like Kraft basically took a crucifixion for the sake of the league as a whole. I'm not sure what to think. Will be interesting to see if anybody talks when the league loosens the gag order on all the other owners. I find the issue facinating and look forward to the Brady appeal whichever way it goes.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Good lord that's a loose standard.

Ha,that is because Lance was the only cheater?
No, he was the best cheater.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Ha,that is because Lance was the only cheater?
No, he was the best cheater.
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You just undermined your own argument

[buckman]

If Brady ends up with the four-game suspension, the Patriots $1 million fine will be a wash.
I think you will see the commissioner step down from the appeal process. That is probably the deal Kraft made.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

You just undermined your own argument

If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would conclude otherwise. We will let it play out. I hope I am wrong to be honest. But up to this point things have gone as I expect. You are an apologist by nature,but I predict even you will have a tough time putting a positive spin on this story. I think we will have a better chance of finding Hoffa than you and Slip after all is said and done.
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[Slipknot]

you can find me working my butt off and glad to have work, once in a while I'll listen to sports talk radio but lately it's getting old and worn out. I am in the same boat as DZ, looking forward to see how the Brady appeal moves along.
Gooddell is not budging a bit.
I will go to games still, and continue to not buy anything in there but I will come up with a sign or 2 to express my feelings.

Thanks to the Colts,Mike Kensil,Roger Gooddell,Chris Mortenson,Dean Blandino, Harrbaugh,Ted Wells,McNally, Jastremski and the NFL league office douchebags (who strategically leaked false damaging information purposely to defame) for ruining my off season, and a super bowl champion off season that feels more like a punch in the #^&#^&#^&#^& than a celebration.

GFY

[piemma]

All you guys want to do is argue. Go fishing for Chris sake!

[Tagger]

Colts Andrew Luck likes his balls at the top end of the scale 13.5 .. Will the league be watching him this fall those summer like games to make sure the pressure doesn't creep over 13.5 ? If so will this wrath come down on the Colts ? of course not .. It's the Colts .