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Old 05-27-2015, 05:03 PM   #61
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I'm astounded that someone under US sanctions would lash out. Perhaps that says all it needs to right there.

As an aside, I was staring up in the Cologne Dom yesterday and might just have found God, or tourists. Not sure yet but it was pretty cool regardless.
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Old 05-27-2015, 10:19 PM   #62
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I'm astounded that someone under US sanctions would lash out. Perhaps that says all it needs to right there.

As an aside, I was staring up in the Cologne Dom yesterday and might just have found God, or tourists. Not sure yet but it was pretty cool regardless.
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Umm . . . I believe that "someone" lashed out before the imposition of sanctions--that's why, I would guess, the sanctions were imposed. Can't be "absolutely" sure. Never can tell . . . maybe the US just likes to dole out willy-nilly sanctions. Especially under the current administration.

And the Eurasian project had been under way well before the sanctions. And that includes the growth of military power by its two most important countries Russia and China, while the West depends more on diplomacy and economic "sanctions." That's why "someone" could brush off and laugh at the little bug bite "punishment" by a country and its European allies that he views as pusillanimous. He obviously didn't think there would be any military response to the invasion of Ukraine other than by the overmatched Ukrainians.

I'm guessing that "someone," might not fear much military resistance from the U.S or its European allies for the next two years after witnessing the near total reluctance of the current US administration to use troops for war. Suspect he doesn't fear drone attacks or air strikes since he has his own drones and plenty of air power as well.

Head in the sand may work for ostriches, but humans who try it usually get their butt kicked.

And, yeah, it's easier to find God in the beauty of ancient things (Cologne Dom being much older than the Constitution, BTW).

But it's more likely that a progressive would see tourists rather than God.

Were you there with family, or just business?
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Old 05-29-2015, 05:13 AM   #63
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I think Russia fears our economic might much more than a military conflict we'll rightly avoid. He's just trying to play Cold War games...this isn't a sprint.

In Germany for work but trying to see some fun stuff. The Charlamagne exhibit in Aachen was very nice.
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Old 05-29-2015, 10:56 AM   #64
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I think Russia fears our economic might much more than a military conflict we'll rightly avoid. He's just trying to play Cold War games...this isn't a sprint.

In Germany for work but trying to see some fun stuff. The Charlamagne exhibit in Aachen was very nice.
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Why would any country fear U.S. economic might? Hasn't that might been a benefactor to the world? Rather than fearing our economy, shouldn't they be trying to imitate it? To join in the great party of economic kumbaya? Sort of a worldwide economic franchise similar, perhaps, to a major league franchise where all teams compete but are interdependent in striving for the same goal. The winner gets the accolades, but all are enriched.

On the other hand, if it were something to be feared but not emulated, something that was a barrier to a different goal, then it would have to be defeated or contained. Neither Russia nor China act as if they have the same goal as America. Nor do, other than Israel, the countries of the Middle East or other Islamic countries. Nor do various countries in Africa or South or Latin America. Even various countries in Europe lean toward different goals than we.

So, then, if something other than or beyond economic might are of prime importance to these other countries, does that not then diminish the importance of American economic might in achieving their goals? And if they view American economics as an obstacle to be overcome would they not resort to means other than such economics?

Would not military power and anti-U.S. political and economic alliances be a better means to obviate American economic might?

And isn't that exactly what the Russian and Chinese, et. al., Eurasian project with its growing alliances, including, SCO, BRICS, the Paris-Moscow-Beijing axis, and the Axis of Hope, etc. are about? And they are not in a sprint, but in for the marathon.

In the meantime, our economic power is increasingly overburdened with debt and leftist regulations, and our military is gradually shrinking. We are probably at a point where we couldn't effectively do the type of sprint which could have eradicated potential enemies while they were still weak. They appear to be growing stronger as we grow weaker. That would be OK if it were merely an appearance, and the reality was the opposite.

I "think" we should greatly strengthen our military might, shrink our national debt, let our economy grow organically rather than by government fiat (which actually restricts it), and re-instill an American pride in individual ability rather than the growing drift into dependence on government. That would also not be a sprint. It would take some time to re-establish that which created American economic, along with its military, power.

In the marathon rather than sprint, those who do not wish us well are probably comfortable with the socialistic direction our progressive governments lead us. The trajectory, in the long run, is all toward their direction.

But, do enjoy the great exhibits of old European grandeur. It may be fun stuff, and a harbinger of new great things to come.
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:57 AM   #65
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I "think" we should greatly strengthen our military might, shrink our national debt, let our economy grow organically rather than by government fiat (which actually restricts it), and re-instill an American pride in individual ability rather than the growing drift into dependence on government. That would also not be a sprint. It would take some time to re-establish that which created American economic, along with its military, power.


Great summation, detbuch, unfortunately it seems we have too few with enough commonsense to comprehend it.

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Old 07-28-2015, 10:33 PM   #66
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Putin Threatens America with Nuclear Annihilation

By Cliff Kincaid July 28, 2015 6:46 am

The nation is fiercely debating the Iran nuclear deal and the significance of the Ayatollah’s “death to America” tweets when the real problem is Iran’s sponsor, Russia, and its lunatic ruler, Vladimir Putin. By controlling the media, killing off the opposition, and smearing Ukrainian freedom fighters as Nazis, the former KGB colonel has his country worked into a collective frenzy over a concocted Western threat. Some experts believe Russia is preparing for nuclear war on a global scale. If Putin carries out his threats, America is no more.

In this case, the U.S. is facing not only a nuclear weapons program, which is the case with Iran, but what our top generals are calling an “existential threat” to our survival as a nation.

As the National Institute for Public Policy documents in the report, “Foreign Nuclear Developments: A Gathering Storm,” Russia has a new military doctrine that anticipates using nuclear weapons, and the regime has embarked on “a massive strategic modernization program to deploy new nuclear weapons and delivery systems.”

Not only that, but Russia has a ballistic missile defense to use against us.

Geopolitical analyst Jeff Nyquist tells Accuracy in Media, “The Russians became angry and threatening when NATO tried to build a very modest missile defense system to stop an Iranian missile. Yet Russia has over 10,000 dual purpose SAM/ABMs for defense against our missiles and will be deploying a new ABM prototype next year.”

He adds, “Russia has potential war winning advantages over the U.S. and NATO—not necessarily in the number of nuclear weapons but in the number of its ABM batteries, and the upgrading of these batteries with a new generation of interceptor rockets while the American side makes no effort in this direction. The U.S. ABMs in Alaska and California would be lucky to stop 12 Russian warheads.”

Despite the preoccupation with Iran’s nuclear program, Iran currently has nothing of that nature which can threaten the homeland of the United States. Yet, Russia can obliterate the United States, a fact that has been highlighted recently by no less than three top American generals. The term, “existential threat,” has been used repeatedly to describe the Russian challenge. That term means the Russians can destroy the United States as a nation.

Marine Corps General Joseph Dunford, nominated to become chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said, “If you want to talk about a nation that could pose an existential threat to the United States, I’d have to point to Russia.”

His statement, made during his Senate confirmation hearing on July 9, got a significant amount of media attention. Similar warnings came from Army General Mark A. Milley, commander of U.S. Forces Command, who has been nominated to become the next Army chief of staff, and Air Force General Paul Selva, nominated to become Vice-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.

Dunford and the other generals acknowledge the real or potential nuclear threats from Iran, North Korea, and China. But it’s Russia that is deemed an “existential threat.” It is the most significant.

Some conservatives have been complaining that patriotic military officers are being purged from the Armed Forces. Well, it appears that the purge missed Generals Dunford, Milley, and Selva. These generals are taking a risk by going against the conventional wisdom of the Obama administration. Indeed, the White House and the State Department have gone out of their way to say that the Obama administration does not agree with the assessment that Russia is an existential threat to the United States.

For the generals to go public in this manner—and to contradict the official stance of the Obama administration—suggests that the threat from Russia is very real indeed, and may be more serious than they are willing to publicly acknowledge.

When you consider how the Iran nuclear deal came about, you begin to realize how serious it is. Obama actually thanked Putin for bringing it about.

The CNN story, “Obama, Putin congratulate each other for Iran deal,” demonstrates the nature of the problem. Although the story is designed to highlight the alleged positive roles Obama and Putin played in the deal, CNN reported that in a readout of the conversation between the two leaders, “the White House said Obama thanked Putin for Russia’s role in the Iran nuclear negotiations.”

Thanked Putin? This demonstrates something worse than the deal itself and the real nature of the Iranian threat. Putin should thank Obama because the U.S. is helping Iran, Russia’s client state, get tens of billions of dollars in international financial aid. Down the line, Russia gets U.S. approval to supply more weapons to the anti-American regime.

Iran is certainly a potential nuclear threat to Israel, the so-called “little Satan.” But the U.S. is the “Great Satan,” and our biggest nuclear threat at the current time is Russia, as our top military officers have said. Yet, Obama is treating Putin as an ally.

Israel and its defenders have to come to grips with the fact that Iran is a threat to the Jewish state, the region, and the world because of its Russian sponsorship. Iran can’t be viewed in isolation, apart from Russia. Indeed, Iran is considered to be part of a “strategic alliance” with Russia.

As we have noted on several occasions, the Iranian Ayatollah, Ali Khamenei, is KGB-trained, having been “educated” at the KGB’s Patrice Lumumba University in Moscow. This means he is under Russian influence, if not an agent.

Obama has a blind spot regarding threats from the Islamic world, and that includes Iran. But his unwillingness to face up to the Russian threat, which is more serious than any on the face of the earth today, puts the very existence of the United States in jeopardy.

Remember that Obama mocked Mitt Romney’s statement during the 2012 campaign that Russia was our geopolitical adversary. Obama hasn’t learned anything, despite the Russian invasion of Ukraine. He keeps refusing to supply Ukraine with heavy weapons to defend themselves. Praising the Russians for their role in the Iran deal signals something worse than just incompetence. It appears that Russia is exercising some sort of control over the Obama administration.

We got a taste of that control when it was reported that, on Independence Day, the Kremlin announced that Putin had sent Happy July 4th greetings to Obama. We only later learned that Putin, on the same day, had also sent nuclear-capable Russian bombers off the coast of California that had to be intercepted by American aircraft.

This duplicity is another sign of the lunatic mindset of the former KGB spy running the show in Moscow. This nuclear blackmail is much more serious than a tweet from the Iranian Ayatollah showing Obama with a gun to his head. Putin has a nuclear gun pointed at America and we have practically no defense against it.

Cliff Kincaid is the Director of the AIM Center for Investigative Journalism and can be contacted at cliff.kincaid@aim.org.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:39 AM   #67
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Well, at least if you're going to cite a conspiracy theorist you picked a good one.
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Well, at least if you're going to cite a conspiracy theorist you picked a good one.
He's very, very good. And he even offers some substance rather than just an easy, drive-by, substanceless, snide comment. The cite is food for thought . . . and actual discussion . . . if thought and discussion are provided.

A bibliography of more "conspiracies" listed by one of the authorities that the article cites:

http://www.nipp.org/publications/dow...les/year-2015/
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