PP - Thread Split Off Topic - derailment

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

I always liked him. A bright guy who seems very honest and trustworthy.

He gave a great answer on his abortion position very recently. He said that he worked most of hi scareer as a pediatric neurosurgeon, an dthat he couldn't count ho wmany times he and his team fought all night long, giving everything they had, to save critical babies, sometimes who were still in the womb. So he said that no one should be shocked that he's not in favor of killing babies for convenience.

I thought it was a fair, honest answer.

He just comes across as a decent, honest, thoughtful man.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by justplugit

I always liked him. A bright guy who seems very honest and trustworthy.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He gave a great answer on his abortion position very recently. He said that he worked most of hi scareer as a pediatric neurosurgeon, an dthat he couldn't count ho wmany times he and his team fought all night long, giving everything they had, to save critical babies, sometimes who were still in the womb. So he said that no one should be shocked that he's not in favor of killing babies for convenience.

I thought it was a fair, honest answer.

He just comes across as a decent, honest, thoughtful man.

So neither of you have any problems with his research on tissue from aborted fetus'?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So neither of you have any problems with his research on tissue from aborted fetus'?

A tough but fair question.

I don't think most people have a problem with performing medical research on corpses, even babies. I have no quarel with that. But I would assume that those folks died of natural causes or an accident. I also assume, as the law requires, that fetal corpses used for research, were not manipulated while still alive, for the specific reason of maximizing harvestable tissue. Finally, what sickened a lot of folks about PP, was the absolute callousness with which they discussed such things, but in my opinion, you need to have something deeply wrong with you to do that for a living, so maybe it's not that surprising.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So neither of you have any problems with his research on tissue from aborted fetus'?

If it matters, Carson is denying that he ever performed research on fetal tissue. His surgeries. done in the effort to save lives, were sometimes used as a source for scientific research. He has no ethical issue with that research, but claims he has never been involved.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If it matters, Carson is denying that he ever performed research on fetal tissue. His surgeries. done in the effort to save lives, were sometimes used as a source for scientific research. He has no ethical issue with that research, but claims he has never been involved.

No he isn't. He simply detached his research from how the tissue was obtained.

He's a massive hypocrite.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by spence

He simply detached his research from how the tissue was obtained.

He's a massive hypocrite.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

That was my thought. Just say that you've changed your mind in the 20 years since you did it.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

.

He's a massive hypocrite.

Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

PaulS That was my thought.




great example...this could easily sink his chances and the details aren't all that clear as it's only been a few days, but Hillary and others can lie, cheat, steal and be a "massive hypocrite" for decades and still get the nomination....funny what becomes "qualities and assets" when you sit on the other side of the aisle

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No he isn't. He simply detached his research from how the tissue was obtained.

He's a massive hypocrite.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

In the interview I saw, I think he said that while his surgeries sometimes provided fetal tissue for research, he didn't do any research on tissue.

Is there proof he lied? I would genuinely like to know.

Boy, are you selective in your willingness to hold politicians to any standard of ethics...

WHat was Hilary when she claimed she came under sniper fire, misunderstood? Quoted out of context? Or did she never make such a claim, she's just the victim of another vast right wing conspiracy?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In the interview I saw, I think he said that while his surgeries sometimes provided fetal tissue for research, he didn't do any research on tissue.

Is there proof he lied? I would genuinely like to know.

I didn't say he lied, I said he was a hypocrite.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I didn't say he lied, I said he was a hypocrite.

you routinely support and defend the biggest hypocrite on the planet...ole' "shared sacrafice"...so i guess you're saying Carson has at least one quality that you like in a president if we can catch him in some lies....that would be two

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I didn't say he lied, I said he was a hypocrite.

I'm wondering, in all honesty, where is the hypocrisy?

Are you saying it's hypocritical for a doctor to perform research on fetal tissue, yet be critical of what Planned Parenthood did? I don't think that's hypocritical at all, because what horrified folks about PP was how that tissue is harvested, and the possibility (far from a certainty) that laws were broken if abortion procedures were altered or profits were made.

I keep forgetting, do you concede that Hilary lied about the sniper thing?

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

I didn't say he lied, I said he was a hypocrite.

Show me one polotician that is not a hypocrite.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So neither of you have any problems with his research on tissue from aborted fetus'?

Today was the first I heard of that.
He is being interviewed tonight so I will wait to see what he has to say
before I pass judgment.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Today was the first I heard of that.
He is being interviewed tonight so I will wait to see what he has to say
before I pass judgment.

Saw an interview, he adamantly denied ever doing research, though he stated he has no ethical quarrels with research of fetal tissue, as long as it is acquired in an ethical way. He had some real words about Planned Parenthood and their founder, Margaret Sanger, an unapologetic, loathsome racist.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Saw an interview, he adamantly denied ever doing research, though he stated he has no ethical quarrels with research of fetal tissue, as long as it is acquired in an ethical way. He had some real words about Planned Parenthood and their founder, Margaret Sanger, an unapologetic, loathsome racist.

Yes, and in addition to the one I saw, he said he did not do any research but was mentioned in the paper because he sent tissue from the process of neurosurgery at John Hopkins, therefore being mentioned in the paper.

The man is a neurosurgeon not an OB/Gyn who would be the ones doing the majority of abortions.