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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Dangles, there isn't a single hard, even challenging, question liberals can ask him.

Why do you think a human life is worth more than a woman's right to self-centered convenience? But bone children til they kill themselves.

Why do you think that the only union that can produce life, is different than a union between 2 people of the (favorite)same sex? In other words, why do you think it's OK to say that different things are, in fact, different?yet,the same

Why do you cling to the antiquated notion that sex is supposed to be more meaningful than a handshake? Casual sex never hurt anybody, right, as long as you say three Hail Marys.

Why is it important to take care of the sick and the poor,with wine and porno flicks

What's the value in a religion that teaches people about servicing boys and love, makes devotees feel ashamed if they don't donate like there is a real purpose to life, and that they are never, ever alone?

Yeah, he needs to study on those, all right, those are real head-scratchers.

Why do your priests bone altar boys and go to you for refuge?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Why do your priests bone altar boys and go to you for refuge?
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That's a pertinent point. The Church has much to answer for in the way they handled that sickening scandal. It was a very small number of bishops in the US who covered that up, and we are (too slowly for me) rooting them out. It's absolutely fair the the Pope should speak to victims of the abuse to understand the damage first-hand.

Fair enough?

Now, what about all our neighbors across New England who got free food last night at a Catholic food bank, or free medical care at a Catholic Hospital, or a free bed at a Catholic homeless shelter? Does that mean anything to you at all?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's a pertinent point. The Church has much to answer for in the way they handled that sickening scandal. It was a very small number of bishops in the US who covered that up, and we are (too slowly for me) rooting them out. It's absolutely fair the the Pope should speak to victims of the abuse to understand the damage first-hand.

Fair enough?

Now, what about all our neighbors across New England who got free food last night at a Catholic food bank, or free medical care at a Catholic Hospital, or a free bed at a Catholic homeless shelter? Does that mean anything to you at all?

Wow... I was away from this all weekend. It sure divested from the Iraq stuff earlier...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Wow... I was away from this all weekend. It sure divested from the Iraq stuff earlier...

I looked back at the thread; I think we could go around and around re: the long-term good of the surge and stability of Iraq and neither would change opinions.

What I am having a harder time with, is the idea that you, who was in Iraq (I think you said there, and not Afghanistan), thinks we should get engaged in Syria. Syria, to me, is more like Iran than Iraq, and, is NOT a country to get into w/o going whole hog, and then likely would require a long-term occupation/'residual force'. To me, without fully proportional financial and troop support from other allies, ME and Europe, is madness, and even then is probably not one we want to be involved in... I am not doubting the evil of Assad, but I don't think a US led groundwar is the answer here.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I looked back at the thread; I think we could go around and around re: the long-term good of the surge and stability of Iraq and neither would change opinions.

What I am having a harder time with, is the idea that you, who was in Iraq (I think you said there, and not Afghanistan), thinks we should get engaged in Syria. Syria, to me, is more like Iran than Iraq, and, is NOT a country to get into w/o going whole hog, and then likely would require a long-term occupation/'residual force'. To me, without fully proportional financial and troop support from other allies, ME and Europe, is madness, and even then is probably not one we want to be involved in... I am not doubting the evil of Assad, but I don't think a US led groundwar is the answer here.

You make good points, and I'm no expert on high-level strategy. In my opinion (I could be wrong), we're going to need to deal with it eventually. Jimmy Carter tried the policy of "put your head in the sand, wring your hands, and hope the problem goes away", but that doesn't always work. I agree that we need big-time buy-in from a lot of other countries.

Between our economic issues, and what's happening in that part of the world, it's getting downright scary.