Gun Owners.. Ball is in your court

[tysdad115]

Blame people, not guns. This is not negative vitrole. Shall not be infringed.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by tysdad115

Blame people, not guns. This is not negative vitrole. Shall not be infringed.
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Just keep repeating that to yourself.

Here's the problem with that line of thinking. You could say the exact same thing about cars. Yet the government has invested billions in making cars safer, making highways safer and creating more regulations to make drivers safer...and it's worked...dramatically.

Did you know that current law prohibits the Government (CDC) from scientific studies on firearms deaths? We used to do it, up until the NRA lobbied to kill the funding in 1996. There's an old saying in business "you can't fix what you don't measure."

The idea that we can't even study the root causes of gun related death is absurd. Hey, if more guns makes you safer the only way to know is through long-term research.

Ultimately you have to make guns harder to get as the gun proponent in the facebook video so clearly states. It has to be Federal so Jim can't keep reciting the same absurd talking point about Chicago. It has to be long term. There are things you can do to make guns safer and harder to steal. We have to take mental heath more seriously for sure and yes, this could mean having some people's rights infringed.

But none of this is going to happen until the NRA stops using it's deep pockets to bully politicians and whip gun advocates into a panicked frenzy of fear that the boogie man is going to destroy their freedoms.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

The idea that we can't even study the root causes of gun related death is absurd.

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whose idea was this?...never hear of it

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Just keep repeating that to yourself.

Here's the problem with that line of thinking. You could say the exact same thing about cars. .

Again, if it's the gun and not the person, please explain the lack of gun violence in the Dakotas, despite astronomical rates of gun ownership.

Is it population density? Do you think that if you took all the people of the Dakotas, and squished them into a smaller space, they'd eventually start killing each other in huge numbers?

It's culture and values. The type people who live in the Dakotas embrace a culture that does not often lend itself to barbaric violence. That doesn't jive well with liberalism, but try making it wrong.

Let's react to what the facts actually are, not what one side desperately wants the facts to be.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Again, if it's the gun and not the person, please explain the lack of gun violence in the Dakotas, despite astronomical rates of gun ownership.

Is it population density? Do you think that if you took all the people of the Dakotas, and squished them into a smaller space, they'd eventually start killing each other in huge numbers?

It's culture and values. The type people who live in the Dakotas embrace a culture that does not often lend itself to barbaric violence. That doesn't jive well with liberalism, but try making it wrong.

Let's react to what the facts actually are, not what one side desperately wants the facts to be.

They don't use guns but they sure love their hate crimes
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

They don't use guns but they sure love their hate crimes
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"They" do? All of them?

Chicago now averages 50 shootings per weekend. Those aren't hate crimes but rather, are expressions of empathy for one another?

Again, instead of commending the people in the Dakotas for being able to live with on another despite guns being everywhere, our President insults them (bitter clingers), and so did you just now. You are both more concerned with attacking your political adversaries, than you are with solving this problem.

The solution is there, in the culture they embrace, which leads directly to the way they treat one another, and the way they behave. But we can't say that out loud, because most of them happen to be white and church-going. So we can't point to them and say, "this is how you are supposed to behave".

Whites who behave this way are bitter clingers and racists. Blacks who choose to behave this way are Uncle Toms who aren't really black, but a bunch of Fox News sellouts. A professor at UPenn said this week that Dr Ben Carson deserves the "coon of the year" award. All that liberal tolerance. Because if you genuinely care about others but happen to be conservative, you must still be portrayed as part of the problem.